Anybody run CLS, R2, Solo, Leia, Cassian? Or CLS, R2, Solo, Old Ben, Cassian?
January 13, 2018 8:04PM
edited January 2018
I currently run zzCLS, zzR2, zSolo, Wedge, Biggs. Wiggs are at the end of their rope, they can't improve much more and don't have zetas. I'm trying to strategize their replacements for my arena team as I get more zetas. I don't have GK or JTRey yet, and my Barriss and Asajj aren't 7* yet.
I've been thinking a lot lately about team synergy, particularly maximizing passive buffs and TM gain. CLS gives TM gain on debuff fails, and Cassian drops up to three debuffs AOE. He then gets 20% TM for each debuffed opponent. Since CLS leader zeta gives 5% TM for each debuff fail, Cassian's AOE will generate 75% to 100% TM gain - if all debuffs fail, 75% gain, if one lands on each opponent (or they already have debuffs) he gets 100% gain.
On top of that, Cassian's zeta gives 20% protection to all allies, and dispellable buffs based on their toon type.
Running CLS, R2, and Cassian together gives a ridiculous amount of passive non-dispellable buffs, and running CLS and Cassian gives a ridiculous amount of TM.
Leia's there because she hits like a truck and can drill through most opponents in short order, but that's about it.
On the other hand, Old Ben has very similar dynamics to Cassian, in that OB has a multi-debuff AOE that will generate a ton of TM if they fail to land.
I'm not entirely sure if OB or Leia are the best options, but CLS, R2, and Cassian seem to have some really incredible synergies with all the passive buffs they offer and the amount of TM gain possible. Focusing on speed primaries and secondaries for mods will have these guys going constantly and gaining TM like crazy. Fast with lots of TM gain and debuffs is a great way to overwhelm an otherwise more powerful squad before the opponent even gets a first turn, especially with smart use of Solo to stun two immediately at the start of the round.
Max quad power on CLS, R2, Solo, Leia, Cassian is 108,586, while squad power on CLS, R2, Solo, Old Ben, Cassian is 111,566, since OB has a second zeta. Running Leia is more offensive, and would help gain rank, but running OB is more defensive and would help hold position.
Anyone got any experience with this kind of squad makeup?
I've been thinking a lot lately about team synergy, particularly maximizing passive buffs and TM gain. CLS gives TM gain on debuff fails, and Cassian drops up to three debuffs AOE. He then gets 20% TM for each debuffed opponent. Since CLS leader zeta gives 5% TM for each debuff fail, Cassian's AOE will generate 75% to 100% TM gain - if all debuffs fail, 75% gain, if one lands on each opponent (or they already have debuffs) he gets 100% gain.
On top of that, Cassian's zeta gives 20% protection to all allies, and dispellable buffs based on their toon type.
Running CLS, R2, and Cassian together gives a ridiculous amount of passive non-dispellable buffs, and running CLS and Cassian gives a ridiculous amount of TM.
Leia's there because she hits like a truck and can drill through most opponents in short order, but that's about it.
On the other hand, Old Ben has very similar dynamics to Cassian, in that OB has a multi-debuff AOE that will generate a ton of TM if they fail to land.
I'm not entirely sure if OB or Leia are the best options, but CLS, R2, and Cassian seem to have some really incredible synergies with all the passive buffs they offer and the amount of TM gain possible. Focusing on speed primaries and secondaries for mods will have these guys going constantly and gaining TM like crazy. Fast with lots of TM gain and debuffs is a great way to overwhelm an otherwise more powerful squad before the opponent even gets a first turn, especially with smart use of Solo to stun two immediately at the start of the round.
Max quad power on CLS, R2, Solo, Leia, Cassian is 108,586, while squad power on CLS, R2, Solo, Old Ben, Cassian is 111,566, since OB has a second zeta. Running Leia is more offensive, and would help gain rank, but running OB is more defensive and would help hold position.
Anyone got any experience with this kind of squad makeup?
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You cant give up r2
You cant give up han solo
You need a tank = Old Ben or GK
If leia is already geared, she will work well
If cassian is already geared, try him to see if his synergy is bettwe than leia's stealth and damage output (but i suspect it is not)
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None of the zetas you mentiined in your last post will do much of anything to help you in arena. Furthermore character GP really means nothing. Beating teams on offense is an issue for you, and there is really one great way to handle that, more offensive characters.
Offense is easy. After seeing your profile try this:
- CLS, raid han, r2, biggs, wedge
I call that the rebel nuke factory. It will demolish every meta in the game except maybe nightsisters.
Overall, and for defense, you need a tank, so try this
-CLS, raid han, r2, leia, st han
Old ben is better than st han, and if you zeta him, it would be worth it, but he needs speed mods.
Thrawn would be better than leia later, but not necessary now.
In these teams, your performance will improve considerably. Dont take out raid han. Keep leia if you can. Uncomparable damage from those two, plus CLS, your opponents will melt.
Old ben is a monster. Do it. Don't hesistate.
I haven't G12'd Wiggs because they don't have zetas so I know I'll need to replace them to climb further and hold it reliably. I tested the waters with Leia replacing Biggs earlier and it worked really well, but I'm not sure I'm ready to run her full time until I can replace Wedge too, since Wiggs synergy is really good.
@Wearesyke I agree that defense is the biggest problem, which is why I am thinking so much about OB vs Cassian situation so I can get crazy TM gain, the more I can take down the opponent before they ever move the less a weak defense matters. The passive buffs and TM gain from OB or Cassian special use will benefit me even when the computer's running the squad when others attack me. I like OB but he needs a lot more gear than Cassian would to get him usable since Ben's only G9 currently but Cassian is G10 with several pieces.
@JDSteady I need about 80 GK shards to activate him so it's gonna be a bit. I have Chaze but Chirrut is only G8 and Baze is only 5* 50/85. Gonna be awhile before either are useful. I kinda feel like the Chaze meta has passed, since neither have zetas and I beat the snot out of G12 CLS R2 Solo Chaze squads on the reg. Not 100% of the time but maybe 80% of the time.
Sounds like everyone's pretty solid on dropping Wiggs for Leia & OB so I guess I got my work cut out for me! Thanks for the input guys!
Leia and thrawn could be better on defense than biggs and wedge until old ben is ready. But you'll have to gear him up too.
Also, if you havent already, its probably time to start searching for your shardmates. There is probably a shard chat on discord or something and it makes climbing quite easier.
So u have only 2 spots to play with, since u would need a tank i think OB is ur best option... Great sinergy with CLS, good TM gain (and TM reduction too
When i swiched to light side i started playing CLS, StHan, biggs, wedge, R2, after a week i tried my OB G9 instead of stHan G11 and i found OB much much better... Then i replaced both wedge/biggs with ezra and i found my ofensive power was almost the same...
So i think ur best option is CLS, r2, han, OB and as a 5th member either Ezra, leia, cass or trawn
Since ezra gives u a triple shot (like wiggs) and also a dispel and no aoe (wedge will die in defense after using his aoe cuz counteratacks...) try to replace wedge/biggs with OB and ezra, and then try leia or cass instead of ezra to check if any of them works better xD
Work on getting GK and taking him all the way to g12+ as well as getting each toon above 250 speed. Do that and your squad will be pushing for top 1-5 positions daily
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zzzCLS, zzR2, zzJyn, zCassian, zK-2S0. Who to replace w/zeta or swap leader?
I have a zeta available and was thinking about using. (Thrawns Unique. Or maybe Zeb or sHan)
I also have zKylo. Before CLS I used to run Jyn as lead w/ Cassian, K-2SO, Kylo, and the last I cant remember. Zeb maybe.
Running Jyn as lead recently seems to have me targeted more or is just weaker. The dots she brings are awesome destruction and the revive. Wondering if her aeo gets her killed.
(Side note: I have never regretted the second zeta on Jyn or any of the others except I recently did K-2SO and maybe the 1% is so small or it’s broken. Doesn’t have words come up stating the effect works. Or maybe it’s one that doesn’t)
Also: All toons are max abilities. CLS and K-2SO are gear 12 + 3 gears done. R2 is 12 + 1 gear done. Jyn and Cassian are 12. Maybe not relevant to discussion.
- CLS or Jyn Lead (or maybe ackbar)
- Cassian and K-2SO have synergy so hard to pull one away. Cassian seems harder to replace. Part of team is nostalgia.
- R2 and CLS seem to have to stay.
- If I added someone like ZsHan would that help or with K-2SO taunting make that zeta less favorable. K-2SO taunts alot but can be got around. So maybe Zeb. He’s strong and a tank but doesn’t taunt.
Have easily stayed around arena 50 or less but now am climbing higher with recent CLS influx. I’m okay with that and understand only some defenses are better but most are beatable.
Chaze isn’t leveled but almost max starred. OB, sHan, Leia need work. Zeb and Thrawn more ready.
Leaning towards leaving CLS lead and needing a taunt, adding ZsHan or OB swapped for Jyn or K-2SO.
Sorry if disjointed writing.
No sure where I would put thrawn but he’s gaining strength as am using him as a capital ship and like playing him.
Any insights appreciated.
With two opposing han solo, who shoots first is NOT speed, but random
Did you consider CLS (L), R2, K2, Cassian and Zolo?
Not too long ago that team could easily take first place. There's a clip introducing the team floating about somewhere on youtube.
@Waqui K2 has good synergy w/ Cassian but I'm not impressed with him overall. I could be wrong though, I haven't studied it in depth.
Thanks everyone for the advice and commentary!
Edit: just saw your recent comment. Good luck! Baze might work instead of Old Ben too!
I feel leia Z have almost no impact in arena... If u stealth her (with R2 or just her skill) she wont get damage anyway... And if the buff block her she will die anyway... So this heal from her Z wont make a big improvement for her xD
In other hand i think trawn is far better than leia cuz u can fracture jedi rey or CLS (or whatever) to kill it without counterattacks, foresight, etc. So if u are able to unlock trawn just gear him and leave leia as it is until that xD
If u dont have trawn i find ezra much better than leia... Tanky enough and hard to kill while ur tank (or smokescreen is active) and ezra also brings a taunt dispell and an asist call (+double shot) from CLS to give everyone 10%TM (+stun if debuffed).