A broken toon that gets no attention
So yeah lightside toons are broken, breaking news am i right? I’m just curious that with all the flak that jedi rey and cls (rightfully) get why no one addresses the op powerhouse that r2 is, i mean lets just look at his kit-
Basic does fairly high damage and dishes out stuns like it’s nobody’s business
His unavoidable special dishes out a debuff that makes evasion impossible/makes maul teams irrelevant
Speaking of maul his second special(smoke screen) is a zaul team in a can
He grants not 1, but 2 incredibly powerful leadership abilities as a non leader in any lightside team( because only losers use dark side amirite?)
Soooooo.....what gives?
Basic does fairly high damage and dishes out stuns like it’s nobody’s business
His unavoidable special dishes out a debuff that makes evasion impossible/makes maul teams irrelevant
Speaking of maul his second special(smoke screen) is a zaul team in a can
He grants not 1, but 2 incredibly powerful leadership abilities as a non leader in any lightside team( because only losers use dark side amirite?)
Soooooo.....what gives?
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Come on man we both know any new darkside is gonna be some marquee character that most people cant even get to a arena viable star level for like 5 months
Reference? Quote?
Isn't the character release cadence similar for all? unless stated otherwise like nightsisters zombie/spirit AND wicket.
The most broken lightside toons( r2, cls, and rey) are event characters that you can get 7 starred right out the gate. When’s the last time we got a legendary darkside? Thrawn? Pretty sure that was like half a year ago
What I’m trying to say is that every good lightside toon is easy to pickup compared to the massive pay/grindwall that marquee characters are, that tend to be darkside
I've said for a long time gk is the best toon in the game everyone says I'm wrong. During cls meta you could run squads without cls and stay at the top. Very hard to without gk.
It was on purpose that he should be a counter to Zaul lead teams. WAI.
As for "free" toons being better than marquee toons, i'm quite happy about that. Imagine that the best toons are marquee events, the p2p advantage would be alot bigger than it currently is. It's not really a ds vs ls thing either, pretty much all new toons get released via marquee. I will admit that quite a few good ds characters get placed in horrible spots to farm.
When i read the title i thought it was gonna be about IPD btw, boy was i wrong
Add on to that how useful his cleansing zeta is on every LS team and the fact that he can benefit from practically every LS faction synergy, and you've got a toon that is, in my opinion, the poster boy for terrible character design.
Dark Side used to be centered around Debuffs, and R2 pretty much makes that entire concept pointless on his own with his Zeta, as if there weren't already several options for cleansing your entire team at a moment's notice on the Light Side.
Not to mention what it's like on CLS teams. Oh, you put down some debuffs that aren't stun or daze? Here comes the counter aaaaaand they're gone. All of them.
Well, Zaul ended the droid era. Until Zaul came along various droid setups could handle any other team — you just had to use the right combination against your opponent. Droids had no counter for Zaul. With your logic I assume, you're disgusted by Zaul himself as well, then.
I am. He was also terrible design (mostly because he brought back Evasion meta which is a terrible stat that needs to go away). However, he wasn't the directed attack that R2 was. Droids weren't dominating the meta before Zaul, and his leader has very wide strengths that are good against many types of teams.
R2 has one ability which may as well be called 'kick Zaul out of meta'. Zaul is the only team which has all of its strength based on Evasion, and this ability completely eliminates that mechanic permanently thanks to its long duration and low cooldown.
isn't that the whole point of having different abilities that counter specific other abilities? One could argue that they over did it a bit with r2, but i enjoy the ever changing meta. The maul meta blew everything out of the water for a period of time and sure as heck countered more than only droid teams.
i liked some meta's more than others, but they all have/had a counter. i'm totally fine with that. Most meta's ended with a new toon or a rework, some ended naturally with already existing toons but in a different combo. One could argue that the maul meta ended with the tripple cleanse team, r2 wasn't even in the game yet. He did obviously gave it the last push into not really viable anymore.
Zeta maul leads were an abomination.
Before Zaul and Sith rework droids could take first place. After Zaul was introduced and came to dominate the arena, droids vanished all of a sudden. I played them still for a few months, carefully avoiding Zaul teams and selecting the few Zader, Rebels and jedi teams to climb, but I only reached top—20 in rare occasions.
Zaul may not have been a counter for droids only, but are you even aware how much his leadership counters everything droids had going? The 20% TM boost even made it impossible for droids to move first anymore against Zaul + SA. So yes, Zaul was exactly a direct counter for droids — but not only that (there I agree with you).
Yes, R2's burn was a direct counter to zaul's dodge bonus, and his smoke screen was an imitation of zaul's stealth, but R2 was (and is) so much more than a counter to Zaul — the same way Zaul was so much more than a counter to droids. There no differense there.
Droid teams were dead well before zaul on my shard at least. They stood no chance at beating wiggs/chaze teams, and quite frankly they couldn't beat zQGJ teams either
@Boba_The_Fetter sorry man i just never came across any post talking about it, only things like chaze or cls ever seemes to get attention