Moving the goal post in platoons
February 1, 2018 9:15PM
edited February 2018
Dear devs ,
I feel defeated by you moving goal posts in the battles . Every new character appears in the platoons , ewoks, Hermit Yoda , Wampa , unmasked kylo, his ship, first order pilot , his ship and now Holdo and rose ,
I feel that my guild can never complete the platoons ever, and when we come close it’s moved again.
I am defeated , you win , but by you winning . I enjoy the game less .
Thanks.
I feel defeated by you moving goal posts in the battles . Every new character appears in the platoons , ewoks, Hermit Yoda , Wampa , unmasked kylo, his ship, first order pilot , his ship and now Holdo and rose ,
I feel that my guild can never complete the platoons ever, and when we come close it’s moved again.
I am defeated , you win , but by you winning . I enjoy the game less .
Thanks.
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Funnily enough I feel like that too, inevitably if someone replies from the company they will always defend their not so good aspects of their game.
Platoons aren't that important. I highly doubt any guild is actually doing worse eventhough "the goalposts have been moved".
i don't think the people that are spending the thousands of dollars for platoons are the ones complaining though. I feel their pain aswell. Horrible, horrible design. Players pay for toons they want to play with, not to put them in platoons. No argument there from me.
However, since i'm f2p, i dont kitten about unfilled platoons. It's not influencing our TB score at all.
If you already weren't able to complete the platoons then the goalposts moving doesn't harm you, it just makes it irrational to expect you'll ever complete them.
But for guilds that were able to complete platoons reliably, this was a vicious punch in the gut with the tagline "Spend or else."
You can still do TB without the bonuses from the platoons, but it's my firm belief that the way P4+ platoons work now is not only highly detrimental to the players, but also self-defeating for the developers as well because it strips the payoff from building toons for platoons. This might have vampiric effects on the most hardcore guilds in the game, but for most it means that they shouldn't bother to invest to complete platoons because that investment will be rendered meaningless as soon as the next marquis character hits.
If you move the goalposts then certain guilds - or maybe all - should give up on platoons and instead solely build super squads to handle the battles and eventually get same result but not have wasted toons in inventory. Least they could do is follow a similar release cadence and not have new toons show up for a month+. If majority of super whales are in top guilds that don't need the platoon bonus anyway it shouldn't matter.
filling platoons is the same as deploying the characters, doesnt hurt to try i suppose, might as well try to unlock the first level of the bonus than just deploy and be done with it.
I agree to an extent. As long as GP keeps growing you reach the point where platoons don't matter.
However putting platoons as pay to fill can have a slightly demoralizing affect on people, especially with TB already being a 6 day slog as it is. Design elements that lower users interest when there probably isn't any great benefit to the game is probably not a good design.
Platoons are the most important aspect of TB's. Your statement is naive and uninformed. Please refrain from commenting on something you clearly have no idea about. Platoons provide valuable bonuses without which would seriously impede a guilds progress through the phases. The also provide extra TP for each completed Platoon. As others have said it is a huge sucker punch to place the newly released characters into the Phase 4+ platoons, this can easily mean the difference to being a few TP short of a star. Especially when as a guild we may have been counting on having at least 4 platoons in each area to achieve 3-2-3 for Phase 4.
Obviously it does harm me, it's not like those toons aren't required anymore once they're farmable. Wich is also the reason why a new marquee doesn't render an investment in a toon meaningless.
Lets also not pretent this game hasn't always been "spend or else". Stop spending? fine, but you'll gradually lose your advantage. People need to stop overreacting, it's more fun that way.
I'm F2P like you. But the whales in my guild spit venom every time they have to throw a few hundred dollars on a grenade for the team. Lots of threatening to rage quit, and usually for 1 of 2 reasons.
1. They love the character, and paid a couple hundred bucks just to dump them in platoons instead of actually getting to use them.
2. They hate the character, and have to either spend a couple hundred bucks (again) for a toon they don't care about, or else the entire guild gets wiped out by air strikes.
I absolutely 100% support the devs structuring the game to encourage spending. I don't mind panic farming. I don't mind giving paying players the first opportunity to use toon via the Marquee cadence. I have no issue with shaking up the arena meta every couple of month so that people need to build new arena teams.
But platoons are a kick in the *****. It's a rotten thing to do to take away the progress players have already paid for, or built towards. I find it disgusting on principle.
Ow wow, feel superior much?
Again, i highly doubt any guild is actually doing worse. If they're doing worse, it's not just due to not being able to fill the platoons.
wouldn't people lose interest if you could full star a TB without much effort?
the math works out to about 11 (DS) and 6 (LS) full toons (from scratch) for each guild member. if you only miss the last wave. with the rate that toons are being released those numbers will come pretty easy.
Yes, platoons help lower rosters complete the missions. A good idea would be to make sure that doesn’t matter. It seems like TB has been around forever now. People should have some good teams. Sure, rng can really kitten you if you don’t have the bonuses but let’s be honest, platoons are not most important. If you’re depending on platoons to carry you then you’re doing it wrong.
Yes, it is very uncool to keep moving the goal posts. It’s not going to change. Recruit some whales or forever be stuck with untilled platoons. I really wish there were some other advice but I can’t think of any.
Superior? For sharing an opinion? We are all equal and all entitled to our views. Mine is that Platoons are the singular most important aspect for the Battle. They can make your Combat Missions much much easier which if not completed or not having been able to complete them has a direct effect on a guilds potential to gain Stars. The bonuses alone from completing 6/6 waves is enough to warrant making sure you can complete those waves, and the best way to do that is to gain the Platoon bonuses.
Not for sharing an opinion. For making comments like “Your statement is naive and uninformed. Please refrain from commenting on something you clearly have no idea about.“. Which doesn't jive with “we are all entitled to our views.”
What you quoted was not an opinion. His statement that "Platoons aren't that important" is factually incorrect. They are incredibly important having effects on the amount of bonus TP you can generate and the Platoon bonuses. With the knock on effect that they also make the Combat Missions easier and in doing so provide you with a much greater chance of completing 6/6 waves for yet more bonus TP.
It's fine that you think platoons are the singular most important aspect for the battle. I think you're wrong, the team you use is way more important. It's not even close tbh.
Raw GP + 3/4 good teams is all you need for TB. Platoons aren't that important, and certainly not worth the amount of money needed to buy the required toons. We're doing fine with only filling the f2p platoons, certainly not worse since "the goal posts have been moved". Heck, it probably wouldn't even make a difference if we could fill all platoons, extra stars are too far away.
If platoons are not needed , then take that out of the game . Some guilds need it and some guild don’t , if you are not getting full stars then having platoons might be an advantage ? The at-at attacks in 5 and 6 are crazy.
They are actually the key to beating DS TB. Cutting those supply lines in key.
Don't need p2p platoons to do well in DS TB either.
I don't mind if they put new characters in the platoons, but requiring hundreds of dollars to "farm" them is obscene. Platoon them after they get a F2P spot, that's fine. Give the buyers a chance to play with their new toys before forcing them into platoons where they do nothing.
I think their current model is counter-productive to the interests of the developers and the players.
You can do better than that