Vaders ship needs a desperate rework

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Jedi_Bane
311 posts Member
edited February 2018
Vader has a really good ship with 1 glareing oversight...it has the highest special damage of all the ships but does physical damage. I propose we either give vader an attack that deals special damage or switch his basic to special damage.

EDIT: based on misunderstanding in the post i have edited the OP to more correctly convey my point. I changed special attack to special damage, it made sense to me but upon further explanation I realized that this could be confused to any non basic attack.
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    How many times do people need to say that vaders damage comes from his unresistable target locks and DoTs and not raw power?
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    Also, things that are "really good" dont need reworks. Its more of really terrible that needs to get better.
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    swgohfan29 wrote: »
    Also, things that are "really good" dont need reworks. Its more of really terrible that needs to get better.

    But why give him the highest special attack in the game for no reason at all? I mean thrawn has the best abilities of any cap ship and the highest damage aoe of any cap ship
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    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    swgohfan29 wrote: »
    Also, things that are "really good" dont need reworks. Its more of really terrible that needs to get better.

    But why give him the highest special attack in the game for no reason at all? I mean thrawn has the best abilities of any cap ship and the highest damage aoe of any cap ship

    Probably so his ship power matches up to others, but i admit i m not sure
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    Just did some research too, vaders ship is the only ship with an above average special attack that cannot use a special attack, all the others have at least 1 https://swgoh.gg/ships/stats/#2
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    I think they should buff him to have millions upon millions of special damage, but not give him any special damage abilities. Cause it would be funny.
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    K @SpadeFreeman every time i see your profile pic it greatly disturbs me
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    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    Just did some research too, vaders ship is the only ship with an above average special attack that cannot use a special attack, all the others have at least 1 https://swgoh.gg/ships/stats/#2

    Just want to point out that special attack and special damage are two different things. Not sure if your making that mistake but a lot of people do.
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    PiffGuru wrote: »
    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    Just did some research too, vaders ship is the only ship with an above average special attack that cannot use a special attack, all the others have at least 1 https://swgoh.gg/ships/stats/#2

    Just want to point out that special attack and special damage are two different things. Not sure if your making that mistake but a lot of people do.

    They are directly related. Anything that does special damage is proportional to their special attack stat.
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    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    PiffGuru wrote: »
    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    Just did some research too, vaders ship is the only ship with an above average special attack that cannot use a special attack, all the others have at least 1 https://swgoh.gg/ships/stats/#2

    Just want to point out that special attack and special damage are two different things. Not sure if your making that mistake but a lot of people do.

    They are directly related. Anything that does special damage is proportional to their special attack stat.

    Ok no you are misunderstanding what I was saying. People tend to mistake a special attack, as in not the basic attack of a character/ship to automatically mean it is doing special damage. When in actuality alot of special attacks do physical damage.
    This doesnt change the fact that you are right about vaders ship not doing any type of special damage and he probably should, but I would also argue that he has tremendous value even without that.
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    PiffGuru wrote: »
    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    PiffGuru wrote: »
    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    Just did some research too, vaders ship is the only ship with an above average special attack that cannot use a special attack, all the others have at least 1 https://swgoh.gg/ships/stats/#2

    Just want to point out that special attack and special damage are two different things. Not sure if your making that mistake but a lot of people do.

    They are directly related. Anything that does special damage is proportional to their special attack stat.

    Ok no you are misunderstanding what I was saying. People tend to mistake a special attack, as in not the basic attack of a character/ship to automatically mean it is doing special damage. When in actuality alot of special attacks do physical damage.
    This doesnt change the fact that you are right about vaders ship not doing any type of special damage and he probably should, but I would also argue that he has tremendous value even without that.

    Ohh, ok, glad to see we are on the same page. I agree, i love vaders ship, just think it could be better
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    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    PiffGuru wrote: »
    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    Just did some research too, vaders ship is the only ship with an above average special attack that cannot use a special attack, all the others have at least 1 https://swgoh.gg/ships/stats/#2

    Just want to point out that special attack and special damage are two different things. Not sure if your making that mistake but a lot of people do.

    They are directly related. Anything that does special damage is proportional to their special attack stat.

    There is at least 1 rare exception like reworked Crackling Doom.
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    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    K @SpadeFreeman every time i see your profile pic it greatly disturbs me

    Ders a snaek in mah boot.
  • TVF
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    I don't see why this matters.
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    TVF wrote: »
    I don't see why this matters.

    What?
  • TVF
    36606 posts Member
    edited February 2018
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    Pretty self-explanatory. What you are complaining about does not matter.
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  • Mzee
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    Yeah, I agree with TVF. I find myself almost never using his special ability, but his basic is very valuable for hitting Tie Fighter Pilot and getting that target lock, when most other ships are just a RNG mess oft it. Usually, my opponent's Vader goes right after mine so his special is pointless if Biggs got target lock as he will just get taunt right back.
  • scuba
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    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    Just did some research too, vaders ship is the only ship with an above average special attack that cannot use a special attack, all the others have at least 1 https://swgoh.gg/ships/stats/#2

    I don't understand what you are trying to show with this
    A special attack (ship or character) can use physical or special damage, it is all how the Dev's design the kit. There are more ships special attacks that do physical damage than those that do special damage.

    Special/physical stats should just be removed from the game but it seems the Dev's like having this separation to give characters useless gear parts and a way to over inflate ships power stat.
  • Dk_rek
    3299 posts Member
    edited February 2018
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    I don't use vader anymore. I just don't feel like TL is necessary to win anymore like it used to be.

    Still his abilitys are awesome it's not a bad ship
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    I like vader in reinforcements when it's time to deal with ITF.
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    I like vader in reinforcements when it's time to deal with ITF.

    Exactly, vaders ship is the best way to deal with ITF
  • Dk_rek
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    PiffGuru wrote: »
    I like vader in reinforcements when it's time to deal with ITF.

    Exactly, vaders ship is the best way to deal with ITF

    2nd best behind Poe
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    scuba wrote: »
    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    Just did some research too, vaders ship is the only ship with an above average special attack that cannot use a special attack, all the others have at least 1 https://swgoh.gg/ships/stats/#2

    I don't understand what you are trying to show with this
    A special attack (ship or character) can use physical or special damage, it is all how the Dev's design the kit. There are more ships special attacks that do physical damage than those that do special damage.

    Special/physical stats should just be removed from the game but it seems the Dev's like having this separation to give characters useless gear parts and a way to over inflate ships power stat.

    Clearly you are misunderstanding what i am trying to say, vader has the highest special damage of any ship in the game his special attack does no damage at all and his basic does physical damage. I really just want to know why he has such a high special damage
  • TVF
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    I'm still waiting for an explanation why it matters.
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    Why do characters that don't deal any debuffs need gear that raises their potency? Lots of things in this game don't make sense ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Lando has a base potency of almost 50% and does no debuffs.

    It's like your that guy from that cartoon "How can Ace be 1 and 11 what kind of a God would allow that"
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    TVF wrote: »
    I'm still waiting for an explanation why it matters.

    Because why, why does the only ship with a crazy high special damage not have any special damage capability. If you think that is ok...
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    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    I'm still waiting for an explanation why it matters.

    Because why, why does the only ship with a crazy high special damage not have any special damage capability. If you think that is ok...
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    its ok because he doesnt need a special damage capability. His abilities do not need high damage for him to function well. Its probably just to increase his ship power to acceptable levels
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    I don't get it either, plenty of characters get useless gear and you have no issue with it, but you take issue that a ship has useless stats?
  • TVF
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    edited February 2018
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    Jedi_Bane wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    I'm still waiting for an explanation why it matters.

    Because why, why does the only ship with a crazy high special damage not have any special damage capability. If you think that is ok...
    DefiantImpracticalHare-size_restricted.gif

    You keep not answering the question. I want to know why it matters and all you keep doing is asking why it is the way it is.

    Try to focus on this question and see if you can answer it:

    Why. Does. It. Matter?

    I suspect you can't answer and that's why you refuse to do so. If you would just say "you're right, it doesn't matter, it just bugs me because I like things to make sense" then I'd say "ok." Instead you just keep deflecting.
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