Nihilus’s Drain Force

KausDebonair

Text says 50% chance to reduce cooldowns, chance doubled if unit is debuffed.

Is this chance based around a potency/tenacity check? I can’t remember. I had a enemy squad of 4, all with pain on them, and Drain Force only gave me 2 cooldown reductions. It hit and did damage all of them, nobody dodged or anything.

I ask because I remember reading some time ago that it’s a flat percentage and not a potency/tenacity check, but I also remember reading that it is a check. What’s the real verdict?

Ravens1113

KausDebonair wrote: »

Text says 50% chance to reduce cooldowns, chance doubled if unit is debuffed.

Is this chance based around a potency/tenacity check? I can’t remember. I had a enemy squad of 4, all with pain on them, and Drain Force only gave me 2 cooldown reductions. It hit and did damage all of them, nobody dodged or anything.

I ask because I remember reading some time ago that it’s a flat percentage and not a potency/tenacity check, but I also remember reading that it is a check. What’s the real verdict?

Tenacity check my friend. Just like most everything else, the percentage you’re reading is of the chance for the cooldown reduction to hit, but then still goes through a check.

KausDebonair

Ravens1113 wrote: »

KausDebonair wrote: »

Text says 50% chance to reduce cooldowns, chance doubled if unit is debuffed.

Is this chance based around a potency/tenacity check? I can’t remember. I had a enemy squad of 4, all with pain on them, and Drain Force only gave me 2 cooldown reductions. It hit and did damage all of them, nobody dodged or anything.

I ask because I remember reading some time ago that it’s a flat percentage and not a potency/tenacity check, but I also remember reading that it is a check. What’s the real verdict?

Tenacity check my friend. Just like most everything else, the percentage you’re reading is of the chance for the cooldown reduction to hit, but then still goes through a check.

Dang. Thanks!

FailingCrab

Ravens1113 wrote: »

KausDebonair wrote: »

Text says 50% chance to reduce cooldowns, chance doubled if unit is debuffed.

Is this chance based around a potency/tenacity check? I can’t remember. I had a enemy squad of 4, all with pain on them, and Drain Force only gave me 2 cooldown reductions. It hit and did damage all of them, nobody dodged or anything.

I ask because I remember reading some time ago that it’s a flat percentage and not a potency/tenacity check, but I also remember reading that it is a check. What’s the real verdict?

Tenacity check my friend. Just like most everything else, the percentage you’re reading is of the chance for the cooldown reduction to hit, but then still goes through a check.

This is completely wrong, or at least that's how the forums and reddit and my personal experience have gone so far. There is NO tenacity check on cooldown reduction on any of the abilities which feature it (drain force, mark, strategic dominance etc).

That said, this doesn't explain OP's report. Are you 100% sure that the attack hit everyone? And what was the effect on annihilate's cooldown? I think sometimes the text saying 'cooldown increased' might not show but the cooldowns have actually been drained.

KausDebonair

FailingCrab wrote: »

Ravens1113 wrote: »

KausDebonair wrote: »

Text says 50% chance to reduce cooldowns, chance doubled if unit is debuffed.

Is this chance based around a potency/tenacity check? I can’t remember. I had a enemy squad of 4, all with pain on them, and Drain Force only gave me 2 cooldown reductions. It hit and did damage all of them, nobody dodged or anything.

I ask because I remember reading some time ago that it’s a flat percentage and not a potency/tenacity check, but I also remember reading that it is a check. What’s the real verdict?

Tenacity check my friend. Just like most everything else, the percentage you’re reading is of the chance for the cooldown reduction to hit, but then still goes through a check.

This is completely wrong, or at least that's how the forums and reddit and my personal experience have gone so far. There is NO tenacity check on cooldown reduction on any of the abilities which feature it (drain force, mark, strategic dominance etc).

That said, this doesn't explain OP's report. Are you 100% sure that the attack hit everyone? And what was the effect on annihilate's cooldown? I think sometimes the text saying 'cooldown increased' might not show but the cooldowns have actually been drained.

Positive it hit everybody, I didn’t see the cooldown increased text, so i checked. Gave me 2 out of 4.

Gannon

FailingCrab wrote: »

Ravens1113 wrote: »

KausDebonair wrote: »

Text says 50% chance to reduce cooldowns, chance doubled if unit is debuffed.

Is this chance based around a potency/tenacity check? I can’t remember. I had a enemy squad of 4, all with pain on them, and Drain Force only gave me 2 cooldown reductions. It hit and did damage all of them, nobody dodged or anything.

I ask because I remember reading some time ago that it’s a flat percentage and not a potency/tenacity check, but I also remember reading that it is a check. What’s the real verdict?

Tenacity check my friend. Just like most everything else, the percentage you’re reading is of the chance for the cooldown reduction to hit, but then still goes through a check.

This is completely wrong, or at least that's how the forums and reddit and my personal experience have gone so far. There is NO tenacity check on cooldown reduction on any of the abilities which feature it (drain force, mark, strategic dominance etc).

That said, this doesn't explain OP's report. Are you 100% sure that the attack hit everyone? And what was the effect on annihilate's cooldown? I think sometimes the text saying 'cooldown increased' might not show but the cooldowns have actually been drained.

Um no, there's a tenacity check on this just like most everything else. Remove all potency and try it, you'll see the difference pretty clearly.

Legend91

There is NO potency/tenacity check on force drain, it's a 50% chance on enemies without debuffs and 100% on enemies with debuffs. It also bypasses tenacity up and can only be dodged/deflected.
There IS one for the health down debuff on his zeta unique for which you MIGHT want to mod your DN a bit towards more potency.

FailingCrab

Gannon wrote: »

FailingCrab wrote: »

Ravens1113 wrote: »

KausDebonair wrote: »

Text says 50% chance to reduce cooldowns, chance doubled if unit is debuffed.

Is this chance based around a potency/tenacity check? I can’t remember. I had a enemy squad of 4, all with pain on them, and Drain Force only gave me 2 cooldown reductions. It hit and did damage all of them, nobody dodged or anything.

I ask because I remember reading some time ago that it’s a flat percentage and not a potency/tenacity check, but I also remember reading that it is a check. What’s the real verdict?

Tenacity check my friend. Just like most everything else, the percentage you’re reading is of the chance for the cooldown reduction to hit, but then still goes through a check.

This is completely wrong, or at least that's how the forums and reddit and my personal experience have gone so far. There is NO tenacity check on cooldown reduction on any of the abilities which feature it (drain force, mark, strategic dominance etc).

That said, this doesn't explain OP's report. Are you 100% sure that the attack hit everyone? And what was the effect on annihilate's cooldown? I think sometimes the text saying 'cooldown increased' might not show but the cooldowns have actually been drained.

Um no, there's a tenacity check on this just like most everything else. Remove all potency and try it, you'll see the difference pretty clearly.

I would challenge you to do the same
If this thread has established anything, it's that the answer to OP's question is not clear. It would be nice to have a dev response, or for someone to link to an old dev response.

Huatimus

It cannot be Resisted.

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/114199/ship-evasion-resistability#latest

FailingCrab

Huatimus wrote: »

It cannot be Resisted.

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/114199/ship-evasion-resistability#latest

Case closed! All I could find was Kyno and I don't trust him as far as I can throw him

Gannon

Good to know! 👍

KausDebonair

Well, glad I asked. Lol.

It didn’t say it was resisted, deflected, or dodged. Just did the damage and that was it. And they still haven’t updated the ability text to say it can’t be resisted lol. I’ll pay more attention next time I use it to make sure it didn’t reduce any cooldowns. It wasn’t a big deal at the time, it was during the Places of Power event and not anything real important (or difficult) like Arena or whatever.

KausDebonair

Thanks for the discussion, gents!

crzydroid

Definitely CAN'T be resisted, but can be evaded.

Aside from Chewbacca, whose cooldowns can't be increased, I can't think of why anyone else would not get it unless it was dodged or they weren't debuffed. It's true that the text doesn't always show up right away if multiple effects happen close together, but if you didn't see your cooldown decrease and it wasn't increased by opponent, then I'm not sure unless you missed something.

Keep an eye out in case it happens again and try to record it if it does.

Kyno

FailingCrab wrote: »

Huatimus wrote: »

It cannot be Resisted.

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/114199/ship-evasion-resistability#latest

Case closed! All I could find was Kyno and I don't trust him as far as I can throw him

You and me both.