Bug: Grievous doesn't gain a bonus turn when probe dies

ReworkGriev0us

Self-destruct doesn't activate metaloid monstrosity.

FildenKarmin

Could be wai because it's self inflicted

CarSickShoe

The wording of each ability definitely sounds like IPD's self destruct should trigger a bonus turn. It is more likely that the wording of GG's unique will just be updated to exclude IPD rather than fix the interaction (if any action were to be taken on this at all).

JediMindTricks

There’s a difference between the words “defeated and self-destruct”.

The IPD defeats(self-destructs) itself. That’s why it’s working as intended.

DarjeloSalas

The explanation of “self destruct” probably shouldn’t say “defeats” then, no?

JediMindTricks

“Itself” is the key word here.

TVF

DarjeloSalas wrote: »

The explanation of “self destruct” probably shouldn’t say “defeats” then, no?

Maybe self-destruction and defeat occur concurrently?

StarSon

JediMindTricks wrote: »

“Itself” is the key word here.

Why? Grievous's unique doesn't say "when an enemy defeats a droid ally," and "self-destructing" is still "being defeated."

Jarvind

My guess is that IPD's mechanic is actually a "destroy" akin to being Annihilated by Nihilus, rather than a "defeat," since it can't be revived.

StarSon

Jarvind wrote: »

My guess is that IPD's mechanic is actually a "destroy" akin to being Annihilated by Nihilus, rather than a "defeat," since it can't be revived.

If you annihilate a droid/seppie GG gets another turn.

ReworkGriev0us

But sometimes it works

Ultra

It should work all the time according to the ability descriptions. I would submit a bug report.

ReworkGriev0us wrote: »

But sometimes it works

Against Sith Empire it will work sometimes, because if GG is feared when probe droid self destructs, he takes a bonus turn but cannot dispel fear so he misses a turn

ReworkGriev0us

Ultra wrote: »

It should work all the time according to the ability descriptions. I would submit a bug report.

ReworkGriev0us wrote: »

But sometimes it works

Against Sith Empire it will work sometimes, because if GG is feared when probe droid self destructs, he takes a bonus turn but cannot dispel fear so he misses a turn

Thanks

vincentlondon

Wait i selected IPD in my droid team and geared it, only because i thought i could use self destruct to trigger myself another grievous turn and now you tell me it doesnt work ??

ReworkGriev0us

vincentlondon wrote: »

Wait i selected IPD in my droid team and geared it, only because i thought i could use self destruct to trigger myself another grievous turn and now you tell me it doesnt work ??

Nope, but why did you gear him?

vincentlondon

Because i watched one gamechanger youtube video and he said to gear it to 12

H_B0MBZ

Ultra wrote: »

It should work all the time according to the ability descriptions. I would submit a bug report.

ReworkGriev0us wrote: »

But sometimes it works

Against Sith Empire it will work sometimes, because if GG is feared when probe droid self destructs, he takes a bonus turn but cannot dispel fear so he misses a turn

GG does not get a bonus turn. I Know this because I have theory crafted a team that would beat Malak Everytime with a g7 6* probe with only spd mods.

(L)Ig88 g11 7*
GGzz g13
BB8zz g12 7*
T3m4z g12 7*
IPD g7 6* (health+protection = 11k)

Theory craft idea:
1.bb8 special
2.t3m4 Aoe
3.ig88 Aoe
4.GG health up special
5.ipd self destruct malak (GG special causes IPD to lose health allowing him to explode Malak)
6. GG Aoe. (Gets extra turn from self destruct)
7. Finish

Like mentioned above I have tried this. Everything works except you don't get a bonus turn after IPD.

Ultra

https://youtu.be/2ypcFYLAkww

Tested it. Forgot to switch to 1x speed but I was able to slow down on my phone and see what happened behind the scenes

Greivous DOES take bonus turn after IPD is kill BUT there is more going on

>IPD self destructs
>while the animation of self destruct is going, IPDs turn is considered over so for a few seconds everyone starts filling turn meter
>IPD animation ends and is now considered as a dead unit
>GG again bonus turn but Thrawn was able to get 100% TM during that second so he goes before GG

EDIT: Playback the YT video at 0.25x speed to see what I mean

Bully

"WHENEVER a Droid or Separatist ally is defeated." Defeating itself is still being defeated. Nothing is specified about how it has to be defeated or who has to defeat it.

Self-destruct is just the name of the ability and has nothing to do with if it should/shouldn't trigger an ability.

Tbyrne92

It definitely gives him a bonus turn when he dies. I’ve been running this in arena for weeks now. Also you don’t need to blow up IPD to crush Malak teams with gg and the droids. Just get your turn order squared away and your crit chance up high enough. I think I’ve lost one arena battle in the past 3-4 weeks using this squad. They’re not great on defense but they melt sith empire and Malak even when g13

SCCH

Ultra wrote: »

https://youtu.be/2ypcFYLAkww

Tested it. Forgot to switch to 1x speed but I was able to slow down on my phone and see what happened behind the scenes

Greivous DOES take bonus turn after IPD is kill BUT there is more going on

>IPD self destructs
>while the animation of self destruct is going, IPDs turn is considered over so for a few seconds everyone starts filling turn meter
>IPD animation ends and is now considered as a dead unit
>GG again bonus turn but Thrawn was able to get 100% TM during that second so he goes before GG

EDIT: Playback the YT video at 0.25x speed to see what I mean

LOL! This is deeply screwed up... thanks for the insight.

SCCH

@Ultra I think the guys win tm because of palp lead. Could you try again with another lead?

Therion

SCCH wrote: »

think the guys win tm because of palp lead. Could you try again with another lead?

I thought the same at first, but there appears to be too much TM gain for that, and the enemies also gain TM. Still, a different lead would probably make for a clearer illustration of the problem.

Dr_Napkinhead

Yeah but where's Malak

Ultra

Dr_Napkinhead wrote: »

Yeah but where's Malak

Dr_Napkinhead

Noice

ReworkGriev0us

Thanks guys, apparently the devs already know about this. @Kyno, can you close this.