SLKR ai is not working as intended
Most of the community already know that Kylos ai is not using any aoe (including the ultimate) when the other team has CT-5555 Fives in it. I can see that it was hard coded to not use aoe against fives but eventually this ai behaviour hinders SLKR defense viability in arena/ TW and GAC immensly.
and please don't respond with: just don't use sith trooper... that there are work arounds doesn't make it better as his ai is clearly lackluster.
tbh it doesn't matter if fives sacrifices or not when SLKR would use his full kit....
and please don't respond with: just don't use sith trooper... that there are work arounds doesn't make it better as his ai is clearly lackluster.
tbh it doesn't matter if fives sacrifices or not when SLKR would use his full kit....
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Fives sacrifice probably won't matter when slkr has his ultimate but I can say first hand that if you trigger it against a maxed out gas and don't have his ultimate. You can definitely lose. Clones have a million shots, hit like a brick and you have to knock down gas again and again and eventually they wittle down your squad. To be honest I prefer keeping it the way it is and just not use sith trooper.
I've beaten ult reys (mixed with wat, jkr, gas, gk Etc.) with kylo, hux, foo, kru, fost (or malak). Don't need sith trooper at all. So just don't put him in
He was coded not to trigger Fives' sacrifice...seems like it's working as intended.
Let CG focus on real content.
No one makes you place SLKR on defense or auto your battles. I could make a long list of stupid things the AI does that are much larger then niche scenarios like this.
It made sense before people discovered a way to exploit it. It will be interesting to see if the way they want it to operate changes now. Common sense would say they would test it multiple ways after the buffs and see if it makes sense to adjust the AI behavior. But yeah, who knows there...
Translation: I just want to use my wallet, not my brain, please don't allow any non GL counters CG!
..people discover many ways to exploit weaknesses / ai in battles. If we're going to adjust the coding to be smarter while placed on defense... we need to make sure to adjust Daka so she doesn't try to revive someone who's been perma killed, make sure ai doesn't use healing abilities either when others have healing immunity, and while we're at it, please make sure ai doesn't use specials on someone with damage immunity.
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Agreed, but CG has established that they only care how the AI performs on their new shiny toys. They only relatively recently started hard coding attack patterns into the defense. Given I don’t have Kylo plus I have videos up that are doing well on how to exploit this AI behavior I hope they don’t change it. But if I was a betting I’d put money on a “fix”.
Bulldog is correctly using the word exploit - meaning to “take full advantage.” This type of squad is not “an exploit” (meaning the gaming term for gaining an unfair advantage).
The GAS squad leaned heavily on poor AI decisions - enemy AI would always go for a weak trooper and trigger Fives’ sacrifice. It’s part of life. I expect they’ll tweak SLKr AI to reassess the 501 threat level based on the number of clones.
Comparing SLKR's ai with poorly performing ai in other parts of the game don't make much sense. GAS vs GAS always was and is rng who the clones target down. that is not the case for SLKR because it is hard coded for him to not use aoe and Ult, which results in all teams involving Fives being a 100% safe counter.
tbh I expect a fix for that issue as it already gets abused in my arena.... not even talking about GAC or TW
If they change it so slkr hits other clones or uses his siphon which will kill other clones which will trigger fives sacrifice, gas will have a good chance to take down slkr. Try it yourself and see how it goes. There's no point changing his ai if it's only going to make things worse. Where you could just follow advice and not place sith trooper on that team. He adds nothing anyway. The team just revolves around slkr taking out everyone so just put in fost
You can take GAC and TW out of your point, I’d actually argue it increases his Defense viability in those two modes as you have to breakup GAS 501st clones, which decreases what you can use that squad on. So you can set one meta on D of one FO faction that if you want to cheese requires characters from two metas
It can have one non gl counter. It is not working as intended bouhouhou.
It is not like gas mirror match where you win because ai triggers sacrifice.
And rey is better she cant be defeated on auto by slkr. She doesnt have tons of counter (drevan, jkr, etc...)
Lol
Nah what these entitled SLK owners want is AI that never misplays and plays on defense like a human controlling the characters.
They want 0 non GL counters to their squad, they spent money so they feel entitled to just plop their squad on defense and win every time.
I have an slkr so don't dump me in with those others lol I'm happy with my investment :-) so should rey owners. To beat either you need to split up many squads and if that's what's needed to beat them then these GL's are definitely doing their job
The team beating you can climb, and that is it, anyone can beat it if left on defense.
If it's not an arena issue I am not sure what the problem is. His team was never really meant to be a defensive powerhouse. GAC and TW save it for offense. Raids? Nope, you are still soloing ALL the raids with him. TB? He's still worth 4 waves every phase. Should there really be a team that is unbeatable in every aspect of the game?
so why should kylo have a ai handicap which all other units don't have?
I don't expect him to be unbeatable by non GL. DR can still deal with kylo but it requires skill to defeat SLKR unlike the padme team.
They all do have an AI handicap, they are exploitable by getting them to trigger the fives sacrifice and supercharge the clones.
The AI is dumb on purpose. If the AI was not dumb, it would be too hard to win on offense, which is not what CG wants.
You can say SLKR AI is not WAI, but everyone knows that it is, because CG coded it very specifically to do exactly what it does. You may not like it, and they may change it, but it is both WAD and WAI. And honestly, it doesn't even matter that much. If you don't want your defense to be cheesed then don't leave FOSiT in and it stops all the non-GL versions of the counter.
As was said previous, every team has an AI handicap in the way they function. AI uses specials abilities on those with damage immunity...AI will heal when everyone has healing immunity...AI will use Annihilate abilities on NS Zombie or another wasted target...etc. etc. etc.
Rey continuously uses Lifeblood, until she has no health, against nonsense trash...so you can then enter with your team and dispose. Is this also working as intended? @Bulldog1205 too
I have Rey, but close to SLKR. In my shard, my Rey easily drops to top 15, among all the other Rey's that drop. SLKR? We have 3 and all 3 stay in top 10 easily, if they drop at all. This is not quite the problem that many are making it out to be.
...And thanks for pointing out how others don't matter, you can be sure the feeling's mutual.
Ultimately CG can do whatever they want in either case, so it doesn’t matter, but there is a big difference between the two and why I think one gets changed but not the other. The “Suicide squad” vs Rey exploits her normal behavior. The Padme/Fives team exploits abnormal behavior that was put in place to stop that specific character.
Why is the behavior you don't like considered 'abnormal'? It's been there the entire time.
I acknowledge what you're saying and your point, and I agree to an extent. However, normalizing Rey's weak AI that continuously uses Lifeblood over and over and over, instead of finishing a gear 4 opponent with 200 hp, is rather silly, and horrible coding. Just as it's silly to have SLKR basic attack 5's to not trigger his Sacrifice ability, over and over. Whether you have SLKR or not, or Rey or not, both actions represent bad AI. To add to this, as I said above...on my arena shard, we have about 12 Rey's, and 3 SLKR's. Mine and others' Reys will drop but stay in top 20. SLKR? ...easily stands in top 10. This issue of 5's is being completely exaggerated.
"easily drops to top 15"
must be nice to be on that shard.