TW matchmaking
October 23, 2020 8:18PM
edited October 2020
The last I saw on this, CG never acknowledged it's an issue. They didn't think there was an advantage to only joining with 40 players. After getting heavily sandbagged three TW in a row, I thought I'd see if we can make any progress.
All of the guild who sandbagged us are top, competitive guilds. We just passed 300M GP and are getting matched with 340M GP guilds. I searched the DSR bot for the name of our most recent opponent and they always join with 40 players, dating back to last year. So the usual excuses of, "we had players out of town," or "we don't make players join if they don't want to" don't apply. It's an intentional strategy to get an easier opponent.
The result in our case is they match 40 players with an average GP of 7.7M with 50 players averaging 6M GP. As a result, they have a 120-70 GL advantage. And all of their teams are high relic. There's no possible strategy to win in that scenario.
It's not like it's a difficult problem to fix. Simply add average active GP to matchmaking and sandbaggers will be equally matched with other sandbaggers. And they'll quit making 10 players sit out every TW.
All of the guild who sandbagged us are top, competitive guilds. We just passed 300M GP and are getting matched with 340M GP guilds. I searched the DSR bot for the name of our most recent opponent and they always join with 40 players, dating back to last year. So the usual excuses of, "we had players out of town," or "we don't make players join if they don't want to" don't apply. It's an intentional strategy to get an easier opponent.
The result in our case is they match 40 players with an average GP of 7.7M with 50 players averaging 6M GP. As a result, they have a 120-70 GL advantage. And all of their teams are high relic. There's no possible strategy to win in that scenario.
It's not like it's a difficult problem to fix. Simply add average active GP to matchmaking and sandbaggers will be equally matched with other sandbaggers. And they'll quit making 10 players sit out every TW.
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I’m just kidding! But anything is possibles
Couldn’t see making members sit out would make your guild stronger as a whole.
Sandbagging takes the fun out of an otherwise enjoyable piece of content. We ain’t got many of those.
It doesn't always happen because a guild does it on purpose.
Do you have proof, or just throwing salt?
It's not so much that they don't want to lose, it's that TW at their level is soul crushingly awful. I would sandbag on purpose up there too.
Funny that you call them very competitive, but they dont seem to be, since they have members who are not competitive enough to play TW.
I mean, it would be pretty random for it to always be exactly 40. My guild doesn't require participation. We have a different number sign up basically every time.
Also, it could be a guild like Wakanda. End-game for TB and the like, but actively hates TW.
It would be, but we hit 43 and 46 more often than other numbers when we enter a TW, just because we require activity if someone signs up, but it's not required to sign up.
We acutely noted a winning streak of 3 matches at 46. So it's possible.
Basically, you have no proof of their motivations. There really is no point to bring those up, anyway. It happened, motivations don't really change that fact.
Yeah, but dating back to 'last year' is at least 10 months. Assuming DSR is logging each TW, victory or not, that's 20 consecutive TW they joined with 40 players (also assuming what the OP says is correct). That's not by chance.
I dont need to see it to tell you its possible.
I also dont see how you being salty at this one particular guild does anything for the issue you see to think should be addressed.
Maybe less salt and more focus on the issue.
This post will be closed of all your want to do is make jabs at the guild that you lost to.
We've seen evidence that some guilds do it strategically (on purpose) while many guilds don't.
Guilds going in short handed CAN be matched with much weaker full guilds, regardless of whether or not they do it on purpose.
You’ve identified the issue, and the solution. No need to bad mouth a guild on top of that.
@CG_Doja_Fett this has been an issue for far too long. Any chance you could get back to us on it?
In the past the devs have stated that the matchmaking looks at power of squads each guild can field, rather than just signed up GP. I’m sorry, but that is no longer a credible explanation.
This is long overdue a fix.
Did you ask your opponents? Could be interesting to know instead of guessing.
There are high level players who do not like TW. They prefer not to play.
Then there are high end guilds, some of whom take TW very seriously and others who are less so.
That second group of players is happy to find those players. It’s a great fit - those players can be in a 300M+ guild and not have to do TW. Those guilds can maintain a high GP but draw weaker opponents by allowing those players not to take part.
Is it gaming the system?
Those players need to be in a guild somewhere, why can’t it be a 300M (Or 320M, 340M, etc) guild if both sides are happy with it?
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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