¡New speeds! Analysis and new strategies [Waiting update]
April 2, 2016 2:17AM
edited April 2016
Waiting the update of http://www.swgohcantina.com/character-max-stats/
The stats are already updated in: http://www.swgohcantina.com/character-max-stats/
The colours of the list are how interesting is every character, but only is my opinion.
The 1th image is the list of characters sorted by the speed without leader abilities:
The 2th image is sorted by the speed with QGJ as leader:
The 3th image is sorted by the speed with Ackbar as leader:
The 4th image is a comparison of the speeds with Ackbar as leader vs teams with QGJ as leader:
The 5th image is sorted by the speed with Asajj Ventress as leader:
The 6th image is a comparison of the speeds with Asajj Ventress as leader vs teams with QGJ as leader:
The 7th image are the previous stats:
The 8th image is sorted by the health:
The 9th image is the difference with the previous stats. The colors indicate if the difference is higher or lower than the average:
The 10th and last image is the difference with the previous stats about the damages:
The most interesting thing is that Rey will be the fast character of the game, so he will gain foresight in the first turn.
P2P players with Leia now can obtain some advantage, because they can try kill Rey with Leia, but is not easy, because would need 3 attacks, or attack with Leia and own Rey.
Now Sidious have the same speed than Dooku, so Rey can attack Dooku at the beginning and gain foresight, that will lose in the counterattack, and then Sidious can kill Dooku if go first.
Now Rey+Dooku can kill Geonosian Soldier before he can play, or Rey+Dooku+Yoda/Sidious/Leia.
Now Qui-Gon JInn (not as leader) is faster than Poe, so IG-86 can't kill QGJ before he play, something possible now after the taunt of Poe and the 25% turn meter reduction, then IG-86 is faster than QGJ, but now QGJ will have more speed than Poe.
Nightsister Acolyte, Anakin and First Order Officer now are faster than Poe, so teams with Poe will be nerfed very soon.
Hoth Rebel Scout now is slower than Poe, so is nerfed.
The speed of Luminara is the same. In the previous stats 36 characters were faster, now 42 characters are faster. She only will be useful with QGJ as leader.
FOTP now is faster than Han, son Han also is nerfed.
Resistance Pilot now is faster than IG-86 (without Poggle). Also is faster than CT-5555, Kylo Ren, Luminara and Savage Opress, so now Resistance Pilot is more useful.
With Qui-Gon Jinn as leader, now Dooku is slow. Yoda, QGJ, Anakin and Ahsoka are faster than Dooku, so QGJ (L), Yoda, Ahsoka, Rey and GS is a good team to kill Dooku at the beginning and prevent the stun. For example, QGJ can attack Dooku, and if he survive, kill he with Rey or Ahsoka.
With QGJ as leader, now Geonosian Soldier is slow. A team with QGJ (L), Yoda, Ahsoka, Rey and Eeth Koth, for example, all characters are faster than GS.
With these new speeds, have Royal Guard will be essential, and Sidious can be useful to kill some character with low-health if Yoda+QGJ can't kill that character, then Sidious can kill it, if the opponent have RG.
The new health of Royal Guard is a lot, from 17.686 to 26.798, now is the toon with more health in the game.
CT-5555 Fives now have 25.409 health, can be a good character in some teams.
Kylo Ren now have 21.636 health. He was tanky before, but now is more tanky.
With Ackbar as leader, Princess Leia is the most faster character of the game, faster than Yoda, and Hoth Rebel Scout is faster than Rey, can be useful to stun Rey at the beginning, or kill Rey if you have Leia, then attack Rey with Leia and HRScout.
With Ackbar as leader Han is faster than QGJ (not as leader) and maybe sometimes can be faster than Geonosian Soldier thanks to the unique ability.
With Ackbar as leader now Luke Skywalker is faster than Ahsoka Tano. With the previous stats was 137 vs 138, now is 142 vs 138.
That's all for now!! You can say more new strategies that you can see in these new speeds.
More stats in:
http://www.swgohcantina.com/character-max-stats/
http://www.star-wars-galaxy.com/characters/view-stats
The colours of the list are how interesting is every character, but only is my opinion.
The 1th image is the list of characters sorted by the speed without leader abilities:
The 2th image is sorted by the speed with QGJ as leader:
The 3th image is sorted by the speed with Ackbar as leader:
The 4th image is a comparison of the speeds with Ackbar as leader vs teams with QGJ as leader:
The 5th image is sorted by the speed with Asajj Ventress as leader:
The 6th image is a comparison of the speeds with Asajj Ventress as leader vs teams with QGJ as leader:
The 7th image are the previous stats:
The 8th image is sorted by the health:
The 9th image is the difference with the previous stats. The colors indicate if the difference is higher or lower than the average:
The 10th and last image is the difference with the previous stats about the damages:
The most interesting thing is that Rey will be the fast character of the game, so he will gain foresight in the first turn.
P2P players with Leia now can obtain some advantage, because they can try kill Rey with Leia, but is not easy, because would need 3 attacks, or attack with Leia and own Rey.
Now Sidious have the same speed than Dooku, so Rey can attack Dooku at the beginning and gain foresight, that will lose in the counterattack, and then Sidious can kill Dooku if go first.
Now Rey+Dooku can kill Geonosian Soldier before he can play, or Rey+Dooku+Yoda/Sidious/Leia.
Now Qui-Gon JInn (not as leader) is faster than Poe, so IG-86 can't kill QGJ before he play, something possible now after the taunt of Poe and the 25% turn meter reduction, then IG-86 is faster than QGJ, but now QGJ will have more speed than Poe.
Nightsister Acolyte, Anakin and First Order Officer now are faster than Poe, so teams with Poe will be nerfed very soon.
Hoth Rebel Scout now is slower than Poe, so is nerfed.
The speed of Luminara is the same. In the previous stats 36 characters were faster, now 42 characters are faster. She only will be useful with QGJ as leader.
FOTP now is faster than Han, son Han also is nerfed.
Resistance Pilot now is faster than IG-86 (without Poggle). Also is faster than CT-5555, Kylo Ren, Luminara and Savage Opress, so now Resistance Pilot is more useful.
With Qui-Gon Jinn as leader, now Dooku is slow. Yoda, QGJ, Anakin and Ahsoka are faster than Dooku, so QGJ (L), Yoda, Ahsoka, Rey and GS is a good team to kill Dooku at the beginning and prevent the stun. For example, QGJ can attack Dooku, and if he survive, kill he with Rey or Ahsoka.
With QGJ as leader, now Geonosian Soldier is slow. A team with QGJ (L), Yoda, Ahsoka, Rey and Eeth Koth, for example, all characters are faster than GS.
With these new speeds, have Royal Guard will be essential, and Sidious can be useful to kill some character with low-health if Yoda+QGJ can't kill that character, then Sidious can kill it, if the opponent have RG.
The new health of Royal Guard is a lot, from 17.686 to 26.798, now is the toon with more health in the game.
CT-5555 Fives now have 25.409 health, can be a good character in some teams.
Kylo Ren now have 21.636 health. He was tanky before, but now is more tanky.
With Ackbar as leader, Princess Leia is the most faster character of the game, faster than Yoda, and Hoth Rebel Scout is faster than Rey, can be useful to stun Rey at the beginning, or kill Rey if you have Leia, then attack Rey with Leia and HRScout.
With Ackbar as leader Han is faster than QGJ (not as leader) and maybe sometimes can be faster than Geonosian Soldier thanks to the unique ability.
With Ackbar as leader now Luke Skywalker is faster than Ahsoka Tano. With the previous stats was 137 vs 138, now is 142 vs 138.
That's all for now!! You can say more new strategies that you can see in these new speeds.
More stats in:
http://www.swgohcantina.com/character-max-stats/
http://www.star-wars-galaxy.com/characters/view-stats
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Is Yodas AOE accurate? A little QG offense up and it's lethal.
QGs health looks looks tough to deal with.
With the rebalance who really knows.
Nice spreadsheets thanks
Yes from now, if you get the level and the gears required hehe It will take some weeks, but these are the new speeds.
Thanks again.
Also I replaced the 2 first images because I forgot Kit Fisto as jedi, now is correct.
New analysis about the new healths:
The new health of Royal Guard is a lot, from 17.686 to 26.798, now is the toon with more health in the game.
CT-5555 Fives now have 25.409 health, can be a good character in some teams.
Kylo Ren now have 21.636 health. He was tanky before, but now is more tanky.
We will see whether the meta will change again after reaching Lv.80.
Which is great thing I think. It's not always good for the highest damage toons like leia and Rey to also be the fastest ones. But seeing how hard the grind would be to get them there, it's better. I won't mind so much seeing super fast Reys and leias knowing how much effort it takes to get those toons at that level.
I still thing it's a bad idea that they're the fastest and have little counters. But for now Some Jedi with a qgj lead are faster so they still act as counters to rey and leia right now so I think it still all works out well enough.
once we reach 90 though eventually, hopefully there still are counters to them otherwise strategy takes a back seat. But for now I think it's good. There are counters to the high damage high speed characters and they are really hard to gear to that level anyway making it a worthwhile effort and a very long grind so it's good for those who have them and I don't mind as someone who doesn't have them because I understand the effort that needs to go In and I can still counter them with my Jedi. So I don't think anyone should be considered OP as yet because it's balanced enough
(Once the meta changed though some things might change)
Let's take the tank characters with taunts and make them so slow they never get a meaningful turn. My whole team will go before any tank. By the time it is their turn (except for RG) they won't have anyone to protect with their taunt.
The one thing you are not taking into account is other speed leaders. AA lead will still make Leia the fastest and puts HRS and Han up there in usefulness.
Can you do one including Ackbar lead? There should still be hope for Han/HRS
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The 3th image is sorted by the speed with Ackbar as leader.
The 4th image is a comparison of the speeds with Ackbar as leader vs teams with QGJ as leader.
With Ackbar as leader, Princess Leia is the most faster character of the game, faster than Yoda, and Hoth Rebel Scout is faster than Rey, can be useful to stun Rey at the beginning, or kill Rey if you have Leia, then attack Rey with Leia and HRScout.
With Ackbar as leader Han is faster than QGJ (not as leader) and maybe sometimes can be faster than Geonosian Soldier thanks to the unique ability.
With Ackbar as leader now Luke Skywalker is faster than Ahsoka Tano. With the previous stats was 137 vs 138, now is 142 vs 138.
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The 5th image is sorted by the speed with Asajj Ventress as leader.
The 6th image is a comparison of the speeds with Asajj Ventress as leader vs teams with QGJ as leader.
Lobot is not useful I think, because the speed of IG-86, IG-88 and HK-47 is not enough to kill the fast characters, and now Poe is slower than QGJ (not as leader), so I think that it is the end of the droid teams, a lot of people will have QGJ as leader, with Yoda, Ahsoka Tano, Rey, Geonosian Soldier, Dooku, Sidious, Eeth Koth, so the droid teams are too slow now.
EDIT: Added also these images:
The 9th image is the difference with the previous stats. The colors indicate if the difference is higher or lower than the average.
The 10th and last image is the difference with the previous stats about the damages.
The stats show lots of sloppy thinking in the devs minds. It is ridiculous that some chars are now TWICE as fast as others, allowing the speed demons to land two specials before the slow char can act for the first time IF THEY ARE NOT DEAD OR STUNNED OR BLOCKED.
Devs please take note of your broken time meter math and think and dream about how to fix this game.
I don't have Dooku or Kylo Ren and both are solid, Ren could turn into a beast. good options in cantina. But I get yodi if I farm 3 Jedi so to me it's worth it.
Assajj
Daka
Dooku
RG
86 till RP is ready ... And...
Phasma
Kylo
Fives
RG
Daka
But, I finish top 20 now reguarly lol
People seem to think if a hero gets weaker then that is a nerf. This isn't the case.
Nerfs are only when a hero is changed.*
*this excludes bug fixes, these are not nerfs either.
Just because Han is going to be weaker than he is now relative to others that doesn't mean he was nerfed. He is simply different.
The speed is very important in this game, and now also FOTP is faster than Han. A lot of people will have 7* Yoda and 7* QGJ very soon, for example I started to get Yoda when I saw that only was available with Jedis, so I started to farm Eeth Koth, today I will get the 6th star, I started to farm Barriss Offee, today I will get the 5th star, and also QGJ, tonight I got the 5th star, so in the next event of Yoda I will have 7* Barris, 7* Lumi, 7* QGJ, 7* JC and 7* Eeth Koth and I will get 7* Yoda, now I have 100/145 of Yoda, in the next event I will get he, so I will be able to play with QGJ (L), Yoda, GS, Rey and RG, also my Rey will be 5 stars after get Yoda. A lot of people is farming Rey, RG and FOTP, a lot of people is farming jedis to get Yoda, farming QGJ and Eeth Koth, the people can play with Eeht Koth and with QGJ as leader also is faster than Han and faster than Poe, so very soon Han and Poe will be nerfed, I will stop to improve the gears of Poe.
The only way is play with Ackbar as leader, then Han is faster than QGJ (not as leader), so maybe is useful against teams with Dooku as leader and Sidious, but against teams with QGJ as leader, that will be the most common thing very soon, Han will not be useful, because all 5 enemy players will play before Han, when Han taunt, the best 2 attackers will be died. If you use RG the most normal thing is that only 1 attacker is dead after the first turns, so the best will be use RG, that is very useful when the other 4 characters are faster than Poe and very soon 4 characters will be faster than GS, for example QGJ (L), Yoda, Ahsoka and Rey, faster than GS and faster than Dooku, so the meta is get a team with QGJ (L), Yoda, Ahsoka, Rey and RG. Also Leia and Anakin are good options instead of Ahsoka.
Did you happen to notice the double health of some of the slow characters? Think speed will matter but tanks will be far better on defence thanks to the level increase.
@quim thanks for the stats ! And yes premium must be given to hard to farm and hard to gear characters . Imagine a weak yoda ... That would be terrible now that people have worked so hard to get him.
You might need to update these charts post Monday 'surprise'.
No, they won't be nerfed.