I believe his special laughter or whatever that is looks very amazing! He is somewhat UP though...
Very true... To everything said so far. I have him nearly maxed and he is definitely underpowered. His sinister laugh ability is very good and his undodgeable basic has proved handy lately, but his speed cripples him. Combine his speed with his health and he is prime for the picking for the picking for many one shot toons. Especially FOTP, who can do upwards of 15k+ on his basic with extreme consistency (way op, imo)
Theres a lot of him that bothers me! He doesnt even synergize well with droids..he awkwardly fits in there if youve tried maybe in place of 88? even then hes too slow. Then his life is too low and hes too slow to be on his own. Ive decided to put him in an aoe dooku team which is even more awkward.
Dooku, Sid, Anakin, Maul, GG
which is built around anakin...and he needs a buff too maybe an RG version of when life gets to 25% or something. I interchange 88 and maul depending on if there is jedis.
Also tried a tankier AOE Dooku, phasma, kylo, Anakin, GG which works pretty well.
I pretty much was like dooku meta sucks and was like if i AOE enough people will die. Its all random and its possible its just rough if a lumi heal goes off. I dont care what kind of team i put him on i just want him on it and i want it to be competitve. I had to think like him..slow and counterishy to see what could work.
All his gear is set to +damage and even that output is average at best. So far his only benifits is he hits dooku without getting countered. Sinister laugh has been useless as its too late by the time he uses it. Leader ability is useless if there is some characters with over 50% crit chance anyways and this meta is about buff up not crits.
I know there isnt a big pool of people using him but it would help to know. I hope hes not simply a trophy. In any case ive gone this far I'm bringing him to 80 and hopefully hes much happier there.
Hopefully im not the only one that feels this way, but just imagine you getting a 7* version of him just to find out hes just as good as snowtrooper.
In the meanwhile Ewoks are the fun comp these days! Such synergy such turns such battlecries. Maybe have the awkward general in a group of ewoks! perfect.
Theres a lot of him that bothers me! He doesnt even synergize well with droids..he awkwardly fits in there if youve tried maybe in place of 88? even then hes too slow. Then his life is too low and hes too slow to be on his own. Ive decided to put him in an aoe dooku team which is even more awkward.
Dooku, Sid, Anakin, Maul, GG
which is built around anakin...and he needs a buff too maybe an RG version of when life gets to 25% or something. I interchange 88 and maul depending on if there is jedis.
Also tried a tankier AOE Dooku, phasma, kylo, Anakin, GG which works pretty well.
I pretty much was like dooku meta sucks and was like if i AOE enough people will die. Its all random and its possible its just rough if a lumi heal goes off. I dont care what kind of team i put him on i just want him on it and i want it to be competitve. I had to think like him..slow and counterishy to see what could work.
All his gear is set to +damage and even that output is average at best. So far his only benifits is he hits dooku without getting countered. Sinister laugh has been useless as its too late by the time he uses it. Leader ability is useless if there is some characters with over 50% crit chance anyways and this meta is about buff up not crits.
I know there isnt a big pool of people using him but it would help to know. I hope hes not simply a trophy. In any case ive gone this far I'm bringing him to 80 and hopefully hes much happier there.
Hopefully im not the only one that feels this way, but just imagine you getting a 7* version of him just to find out hes just as good as snowtrooper.
In the meanwhile Ewoks are the fun comp these days! Such synergy such turns such battlecries. Maybe have the awkward general in a group of ewoks! perfect.
I agree he is a very awkward toon for any squad. His speed and life total really do cripple him. The forcing Allies taunt usually works out badly when it goes off on Rey or other low life toon. That's assuming he didn't get one shotted also, which happens more than the taunt.
His gear is worst in the game to get and each piece provides very little (like the mk6 blow dryers). His damage is slightly above average but no where near RP, RT, and the likes of them.
I use him bc I like him but my team would be much stronger if I substituted almost any other toon in his place. They haven't said anything about helping him out, so I doubt we'll see any changes. As far as lvl 80 goes, he doesn't gain much. He actually increases far less than MOST of the other characters will. He gets more damage, which stays in about the same slightly above average damage tier in comparison to other toons. He gets way less health increase than other toons. While he does get a speed increase (to 103 at lvl 90 cap, still 97 at lvl 80 cap) it comes later and in comparison to most other toons speed increases it is small. So he will still hit better than average, but he will be SLOWER, AND LESS HEALTH relative to the other toons and how it is now.
For me he is just a 7* trophy...too many other toons that do their jobs so much better. If there was a training ground that you could practice in and not bow energy and money, I might be able to find his place in the world.
@SaintEaters is that "undodgeable" attack dodged by foresight?
Nope, but it doesn't remove the foresight either.
Makes him useful IMO
It is, especially when facing Dooku lead... If he doesn't die before his turn
RG would keep him alive...
Lobot lead would speed him up...
IG-86 would bump him down the threat list...
Rey would bump him down further...
Just spitballing here, but maybe he needs the right support?
I've tried it all.
RG - GG gets one shotted to easily for RG to help 80% of the time.
Lobot - speeds him up to 120 at max. Still not fast enough to get attack off if focused. And you are forced to run Droid squad and HK works much better for that.
Don't have 86 maxed.
I do use him with Rey. The only way I have found to use him somewhat effectively is with a bigger threat, a taunt, and turn meter manipulation... Hence my current team.
I have him maxed. Useless at arena and GW. A big slap in the whale's face! I am not asking for a OP Grievous... just a DECENT Grievous. Right now he is nothing but a trophy.
I had a moment today thinking about this over a cup of coffee. Hes intentially like this. The most evasive character in the Star Wars universe. Rarely seen, throws his allies to their deaths and then in frustration the players will stop using him so he's once again evading us as a community.
He won't change unless we speak out. us whales have spent too much to get nothing. I have nothing against socialist but that's what the community is like. We enjoy balance, people who pay pave the way as the beta testers who test what works for the community and at the end of the day we end up playing in the same meta. However there is a business and there is an illusion that paying will create a better experience. Just imagine living in a socialist world and you're the guy working harder than everyone else for no reason. Just replace what you spent and converted into your time and it will give you a good idea of where I'm coming from.
Also go vote!!
Anyways back on topic, The maul/grievous types are so awkward and are attempted balance by utility. Not even sure.
It's very strange if you simplify it.
High damage+ high speed (qgj, rey etc) general weakness is low hp?
High utility + high speed (yoda, dooku etc) weakness is low hp?
High damage + high utility (maul, grievous) weakness is slow speed and low hp?
So basically top two will always counter and basically high damage high utility is suppose to counter tanks?
And really.. There's only 3 tanks in the game.
I wish they simplified roles more first before they added skills. Eg. Rock Paper Scissors and after that complement those rock skills, paper skills and scissor skills. Pokemon has been doing that forever!
Grievous is the symbol of everything that is wrong with this game so far.
I am amazed on how much money you guys spent to get him cause I am a ftp top 20 arena in my shard and I have only 10 shards of him you guys must be spending 1000plus each person just for him, blows my mind
Is he a character that is under powered until he hits gear 8 through 10? I've noticed for FOO Gear 8 is huge. I have no idea and no plans to get.
Nope, he only gets more underpowered bc the same trend from his first 7 levels of gear continues. Actually, I would even guess that he gets the lowest gain from high level gear tiers of all the toons.
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Very true... To everything said so far. I have him nearly maxed and he is definitely underpowered. His sinister laugh ability is very good and his undodgeable basic has proved handy lately, but his speed cripples him. Combine his speed with his health and he is prime for the picking for the picking for many one shot toons. Especially FOTP, who can do upwards of 15k+ on his basic with extreme consistency (way op, imo)
Dooku, Sid, Anakin, Maul, GG
which is built around anakin...and he needs a buff too maybe an RG version of when life gets to 25% or something. I interchange 88 and maul depending on if there is jedis.
Also tried a tankier AOE Dooku, phasma, kylo, Anakin, GG which works pretty well.
I pretty much was like dooku meta sucks and was like if i AOE enough people will die. Its all random and its possible its just rough if a lumi heal goes off. I dont care what kind of team i put him on i just want him on it and i want it to be competitve. I had to think like him..slow and counterishy to see what could work.
All his gear is set to +damage and even that output is average at best. So far his only benifits is he hits dooku without getting countered. Sinister laugh has been useless as its too late by the time he uses it. Leader ability is useless if there is some characters with over 50% crit chance anyways and this meta is about buff up not crits.
I know there isnt a big pool of people using him but it would help to know. I hope hes not simply a trophy. In any case ive gone this far I'm bringing him to 80 and hopefully hes much happier there.
Hopefully im not the only one that feels this way, but just imagine you getting a 7* version of him just to find out hes just as good as snowtrooper.
In the meanwhile Ewoks are the fun comp these days! Such synergy such turns such battlecries. Maybe have the awkward general in a group of ewoks! perfect.
Nope, but it doesn't remove the foresight either.
Makes him useful IMO
I agree he is a very awkward toon for any squad. His speed and life total really do cripple him. The forcing Allies taunt usually works out badly when it goes off on Rey or other low life toon. That's assuming he didn't get one shotted also, which happens more than the taunt.
His gear is worst in the game to get and each piece provides very little (like the mk6 blow dryers). His damage is slightly above average but no where near RP, RT, and the likes of them.
I use him bc I like him but my team would be much stronger if I substituted almost any other toon in his place. They haven't said anything about helping him out, so I doubt we'll see any changes. As far as lvl 80 goes, he doesn't gain much. He actually increases far less than MOST of the other characters will. He gets more damage, which stays in about the same slightly above average damage tier in comparison to other toons. He gets way less health increase than other toons. While he does get a speed increase (to 103 at lvl 90 cap, still 97 at lvl 80 cap) it comes later and in comparison to most other toons speed increases it is small. So he will still hit better than average, but he will be SLOWER, AND LESS HEALTH relative to the other toons and how it is now.
It is, especially when facing Dooku lead... If he doesn't die before his turn
RG would keep him alive...
Lobot lead would speed him up...
IG-86 would bump him down the threat list...
Rey would bump him down further...
Just spitballing here, but maybe he needs the right support?
I've tried it all.
RG - GG gets one shotted to easily for RG to help 80% of the time.
Lobot - speeds him up to 120 at max. Still not fast enough to get attack off if focused. And you are forced to run Droid squad and HK works much better for that.
Don't have 86 maxed.
I do use him with Rey. The only way I have found to use him somewhat effectively is with a bigger threat, a taunt, and turn meter manipulation... Hence my current team.
No he isn't high damage
The problem is that it is your own.
Faster first moves could kill whoever you worry about 1-shotting him.
QGJ?
Also go vote!!
Anyways back on topic, The maul/grievous types are so awkward and are attempted balance by utility. Not even sure.
It's very strange if you simplify it.
High damage+ high speed (qgj, rey etc) general weakness is low hp?
High utility + high speed (yoda, dooku etc) weakness is low hp?
High damage + high utility (maul, grievous) weakness is slow speed and low hp?
So basically top two will always counter and basically high damage high utility is suppose to counter tanks?
And really.. There's only 3 tanks in the game.
I wish they simplified roles more first before they added skills. Eg. Rock Paper Scissors and after that complement those rock skills, paper skills and scissor skills. Pokemon has been doing that forever!
Grievous is the symbol of everything that is wrong with this game so far.
Rant over.
Short of a hp boost, he will be irrelevant I believe.
I run him with Maul, Sid, Dooku (lead), Daka, and he dies faster than Maul in GW.
Well, at least Maul has the time to do his aoes.
How are there not 3 better targets than him for most of the match?
Were I to attack that team, he would be my lowest priority.
Doesn't he have decent hp in a droid lineup
Nope, he only gets more underpowered bc the same trend from his first 7 levels of gear continues. Actually, I would even guess that he gets the lowest gain from high level gear tiers of all the toons.