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Omicron idea: Darth Vader

Devian
Devian
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edited October 2022
Force Crush 5 turn cooldown
In Grand Arena: While Darth Vader has Merciless - inflict Death Mark on Target Enemy. If that enemy dies during Darth Vaders turn while he had Death Mark and Darth Vader had Merciless, reset cooldown of Force crush.
Merciless Massacre 9 turn cooldown
In Grand Arena: While Darth Vader is in the leader slot and not the ally, whenever defeats an enemy while he has Merciless on him - reduce cooldown of Merciless Massacre by 1.
UPD:
Inspiring Through Fear [Leadership]
In Grand Arena: At the end of each Inquisitorius's first turn (both allies and enemies), Darth Vader gains bonus turn. This bonus turns do not reduce his cooldowns. Then, Darth Vader gains 10% TM for every Empire ally. In addition, whenever Culling blade defeats an enemy, enemy Leader gains fear.

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  • Salatious_Scrum
    Salatious_Scrum
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    1) He doesn’t need an Omicron

    2) Even if he did, your Omicron idea may end up generating Darth Vader never ending TM and continual moves.
  • DonkeyKong
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    Devian wrote: »
    Force Crush 5 turn cooldown
    In Grand Arena: While Darth Vader has Merciless - inflict Death Mark on Target Enemy. If that enemy dies during Darth Vaders turn while he had Death Mark and Darth Vader had Merciless, reset cooldown of Force crush.
    Merciless Massacre 9 turn cooldown
    In Grand Arena: Whenever Darth Vader defeats an enemy while he has Merciless on him - reduce cooldown of Merciless Massacre by 1.
    Also few suggestion for Leadership omicron: whenever enemy dies - inflict stagger on all other enemies. Whenever enemy gains Stealth - Mark Them and whenever Marked enemy moves - Darth Vader gains 20% Turn Meter.

    Pretty good! Would be devastating. Maybe too Op for my liking, but still pretty good
  • DonkeyKong
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    Salatious_Scrum wrote: »
    1) He doesn’t need an Omicron

    2) Even if he did, your Omicron idea may end up generating Darth Vader never ending TM and continual moves.

    Bro, if you hate our stuff, you can just skip our posts
  • Devian
    Devian
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    edited June 2022
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    Salatious_Scrum wrote: »
    1) He doesn’t need an Omicron

    2) Even if he did, your Omicron idea may end up generating Darth Vader never ending TM and continual moves.
    1. After "you know what" series he does need it. And he needed this boost after nerf. Darth Vader should be comparable to GL, Omicrons help with that.
    2. AI are not smart enough to utilize it perfectly to create a loop. And even if they (rarely) do, there are currently counters to it as well, that just means people should use use other teams wisely.
    3. And if people use him on offense to defeat some GLs - it will be the best.
  • Salatious_Scrum
    Salatious_Scrum
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    Devian wrote: »
    1. After "you know what" series he does need it. And he needed this boost after nerf. Darth Vader should be comparable to GL, Omicrons help with that.
    2. AI are not smart enough to utilize it perfectly to create a loop. And even if they (rarely) do, there are currently counters to it as well, that just means people should use use other teams wisely.
    3. And if people use him on offense to defeat some GLs - it will be the best.

    Darth Vader is one of the most accessible characters. Because he is, he never will (and should never) have a reworked kit that brings him to GL status.

    A potential never ending TM loop is not what this game needs. Then you’re adding Stagger? Don’t forget people will invariably find ways to exploit this (read Emperor Palpatine’s leadership ability…)
  • Devian
    Devian
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    edited June 2022
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    Salatious_Scrum wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    1. After "you know what" series he does need it. And he needed this boost after nerf. Darth Vader should be comparable to GL, Omicrons help with that.
    2. AI are not smart enough to utilize it perfectly to create a loop. And even if they (rarely) do, there are currently counters to it as well, that just means people should use use other teams wisely.
    3. And if people use him on offense to defeat some GLs - it will be the best.

    Darth Vader is one of the most accessible characters. Because he is, he never will (and should never) have a reworked kit that brings him to GL status.

    A potential never ending TM loop is not what this game needs. Then you’re adding Stagger? Don’t forget people will invariably find ways to exploit this (read Emperor Palpatine’s leadership ability…)
    He is the most iconic character in all SW. He is not farmable in nodes but through achievements, some event drops, etc. So no, he is not one of the most accessible. Omicron abilities are not that accessible either.
    For never-ending loop you need to kill characters and even with Death Mark from another omicron it won't be in first turn. Ofc, thіs includes that his enemies are not resistant to percent damage(which DM is), they don't have something preventing TM gain or resistant to debuffs, won't have foresight. There are teams that can counter this. Some Mara Jade has potential to have never-ending TM loop. So? Did that Make Starkiller unkillable?
    Starkiller is pretty accessible, you know? And he is everything you described in your post under Palp with Mara Jade.
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  • DonkeyKong
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    Sebek wrote: »
    DonkeyKong wrote: »
    Salatious_Scrum wrote: »
    1) He doesn’t need an Omicron

    2) Even if he did, your Omicron idea may end up generating Darth Vader never ending TM and continual moves.

    Bro, if you hate our stuff, you can just skip our posts

    They don't hate your stuff, they criticise it.

    Still kinda feels like hate tho
  • Devian
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    Sebek wrote: »
    Darth Vader doesn't need an Omicron, especially one that can create a loop.
    I forgot, not only Mara Jade can create one, but Iden Versio, IT with Piett and RT, Mon Mothma

  • DonkeyKong
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    edited June 2022
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    I forgot, not only Mara Jade can create one, but Iden Versio, IT with Piett and RT, Mon Mothma

    Correct
  • Salatious_Scrum
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    Devian wrote: »
    Sebek wrote: »
    Darth Vader doesn't need an Omicron, especially one that can create a loop.
    I forgot, not only Mara Jade can create one, but Iden Versio, IT with Piett and RT, Mon Mothma

    None of them have abilities like Merciless Massacre where you can take as many turns as there are enemies. The turn meter boosts generated by IT, Mon Mothma, and others can be mitigated. MM can really only be screwed up if you accidentally hit someone who is taunting that doesn’t have Merciless Target.

    If you see people under MM and IT constantly attack, it’s more due to them being constantly called to assist by multiple abilities.
  • Devian
    Devian
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    Sebek wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Sebek wrote: »
    Darth Vader doesn't need an Omicron, especially one that can create a loop.
    I forgot, not only Mara Jade can create one, but Iden Versio, IT with Piett and RT, Mon Mothma

    They can't create a loop...?
    But they gain tons of TM. If you won't stop them - they will go in circles

  • Devian
    Devian
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    Salatious_Scrum wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Sebek wrote: »
    Darth Vader doesn't need an Omicron, especially one that can create a loop.
    I forgot, not only Mara Jade can create one, but Iden Versio, IT with Piett and RT, Mon Mothma

    None of them have abilities like Merciless Massacre where you can take as many turns as there are enemies. The turn meter boosts generated by IT, Mon Mothma, and others can be mitigated. MM can really only be screwed up if you accidentally hit someone who is taunting that doesn’t have Merciless Target.

    If you see people under MM and IT constantly attack, it’s more due to them being constantly called to assist by multiple abilities.
    You sure? MM-Katarn-Pao-Scout-Kara. Veers-RT-Piett-Terminator-Stark, Pal-Mara+others it's all about continuously gain TM and run in circles.
    Yes, Merciless Massacre depends on enemies. Stun vader, inflict ability block - everything works the same
  • Devian
    Devian
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    edited June 2022
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    Well, ok, I change a part with MM.
    In Grand Arena: While Darth Vader is in the leader slot and not the ally slot, whenever he defeats an enemy while has Merciless on him - reduce cooldown of Merciless Massacre by 1.
    should be alright and close to canon
  • Phoenixeon
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    I thought the idea of omicron is to help some under-used char in certain game mode?

    Clearly vader isnt that kind of char.
  • Devian
    Devian
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    edited October 2022
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    UPD:
    Inspiring Through Fear [Leadership]
    In Grand Arena: At the end of each Inquisitorius's firstturn (both allies and enemies), Darth Vader gains bonus turn. This bonus turns do not reduce his cooldowns. Then, Darth Vader gains 10% TM for every Empire ally. In addition, whenever Culling blade defeats an enemy, enemy Leader gains fear.
    I know, Aphra is coming, but thought this can be fun as well
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