This has to stop
June 11, 2023 10:57PM
edited June 2023
Before all of you in aurdodium and up start commenting try to see this from a lower GP account perspective. I just got smashed by a 7m account to my 1.4m. And before you say it’s a skill issue the 7m did attack one shot everything. I got through one wall and that was it. It really is dumb that I am facing accounts that are impossible to beat. This should not be the case. I need to be playing rosters that are around my GP not 6m higher than mine. This really makes the game boring because most of my days in GAC are just spent waiting for the next round knowing I can’t do anything. I’m not saying to go back to what was but something needs to change. If there are accounts in bronzium as the example I’m using then the system should find them someone in that tier that is similar GP first before putting them up against a bunch of 1m accounts. The skill rating is an absolute joke as most of these bigger accounts are not using skill they are just using brutal force. I could have more knowledge of the game than every single swgoh player combined and I still would not have been able to win today. And before you say you won’t win 100% of the time I realize that. But I should at least have a chance to. Nothing worse in this game knowing you have zero chance to win right from the start.
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I agree with you 💯
That is how it was to start, and was changed.
People would just not level up toons not useful in GAC and anyone who reliced toons like Bohdi or Talia for TB would be screwed over and consistently lose.
While the current system isnt perfect, it's significantly better than using just GP to matchmake.
Whale more win more matches, losing in aurodium 4? Just swipe the credit card and buy yourself 2 GLs and boom easy W's all day.
And if you get easy wins all day you will promote to higher arenas and thus get harder opponents.
As opposed to everything else where whaling doesn’t help?
It may seem unfair, but you face people with higher GPs because you beat most of the people with similar GPs. You beat them, you moved up and face tougher opponents. You lose, you drop down and face similar GP opponents again.
There seems to be a mentality in people that they should only face similar sized opponents all the way from carbonite to kyber, which is statistically impossible. It’s not a git gud situation, because you are already punching up. It’s a keep growing your account situation, and if you jump into a tier where you are matching against much stronger accounts (in your opinion), then consider that it means you are better than 99% of the accounts at your GP and need tougher opponents.
This ^^^
If you are routinely not seeing players around your GP, that’s because you have already shown yourself to be better than the majority of players at your GP. You’ve run out of similar GP matches. Players with a similar SR but higher GP will now be your opponents.
As was also said, GP bracket matchmaking was flawed in so many ways that have been discussed in other threads… at length.
Then they should implement skill along with GP. It doesn’t work with just one
But I am in bronzium and rarely do i ever find a account with my GP. If bronzium is the very last one what am I supposed to do then? Even if I got 3m more GP I would still lost to these other accounts that have 7m gp
Putting back gp in matchmaking means moving back to what had problems before, so it’s just trading a problem for another problem.
However, maybe something could be done for this very specific problem if it happens more than just once in a while: players with very low activity that swim in very small ponds with their giant boats, because it’s not fun for active players facing them who don’t really play but just toss the coin to see if their giant opponent is in a day off or not.
Hopefully for you and others who experience this they will have the will to do something and the appropriate solution, because fixing something has the risk of breaking something else.
I think you're on to something here. At a point, skill is irrelevant when the roster gap is so large, especially at the lower GAC tiers. IMO there should be a soft GP cap for each tier and anything outside of those caps forces a banner handicap that the player needs skill to overcome. The numbers are rough but this is to illustrate my thought process -
Carbonite soft cap is 4M GP. Over the soft cap is a 400-banner handicap
Bronzium soft cap is 5M GP. Over the soft cap is a 300-banner handicap
Chromium soft cap is 6M GP. Over the soft cap is a 200-banner handicap
Aurodium soft cap is 9M GP. Over the soft cap is a 100-banner handicap
Kyber has no cap.
That may seem like a lot of banners but rosters in that range are big enough to easily overcome that handicap.
This is a golf/bowling handicaps approach to GAC and banners.
The core issue is inactive players with high rosters dropping down the ranks due to their inactivity and suddenly becoming active... If anything, CG should do something with these guys like put them in "Inactivium Division" and make them fight each other to get out...
Funny though, I never see any complaint threads started by players who won based on their higher GP opponent's inactivity...
Another problem I see with any hardcoded GP thresholds is that it would require routine adjustments to keep up with the GP inflation ongoing, which I don't trust CG to do timely. I mean, if you look at how Kyber1 has shrunk and CG is slow to respond...
THAT SAID...i am NOT "waiting for the next round"...i still either win about 50% and keep my level...or when i get a losing streak (3 or 6 in a row) i go down to where i can start wiining 75% again...and move back up.
I CAN UNDERSTAND the "not fun" matches...i have plenty of these...but many ROUNDs i have 1 or 2 i can win...and seesaw in levels...
JUST SAYING...you cant complain you ALWAYS lose to higher GPs...it is simply not possible...
What league are you on? I am in Auridium 5 right now, will go down next round for sure...but expect a couple close matches when i drop...
Good points. Turns out I don't have a great solution but I'd love something to change especially for the below Aurodium levels.
Like for boxing... there is light , middle and heavy size
lets say 4M GP and below is light
8M and below middle
more then 8M is heavy
then you could reach Kyber 1 in light... while never have to fight 9M GP people
that takes away some of the money based matchmaking aspects.
That would be the mist fair for everyone.
Currently the matchmaking is like... if 3M GP has to face 7M... thats like letting a good "light" boxer fighting a mediocre "heavy boxer"... the heavy boxer may win or loose... but he had the bettet chances no question...
and you have NO chance to get to kyber with 3M GP in the old money based matchmaking... because no matter how good the light boxer is... he cant make a tiny dent against a good heavy boxer
Except we aren't boxing and we are all playing the exact same game... People with bigger rosters deserve to get bigger rewards, if they didn't then what would be the point of building up your roster?
I don't think that would go over well... You would end up with a bunch of players who are near the top of their "class" that routinely beat people with larger GP who will miss out on the rewards for doing so...
Then everyone currently in Kyber 1 could switch to casual, keep their SR and get K1 daily rewards forever thus preventing anyone else from ever moving up to K1. Hell, players in lower divisions could do the same and all you’d end up doing is suppressing the ability for players in lower divisions to move up. Pass.
That’s what the part about last active gac means. You have to select one to get rewards. If you select casual, you are locked into casual rewards until you go back to competitive.