The beauty of this update...
April 15, 2016 1:35PM
edited April 2016
The latest update has been out for close to 15 hours now, and continuing with the trend of all previous updates, the grumbling of the community is unsettling and not very favorable. I feel that it has been too short a time to pass judgment, as I don't believe many have taken the time to THINK about these changes and realize that this is what SWGOH needs for continued success.
There is beauty in this update....
I can say this assuredly, as I am a player who has the ability to investigate all different aspects of these changes. Now, many of you will immediately say that because I'm a whale of epic proportions that I am unable to see it from a f2p or new player perspective. Please, hear me out before rushing to such conclusions.
Before this update was implemented SWGOH was a game of limited depth and difficulty. One would log in, quickly complete his/her dailies, auto through the challenges, sim for gear until out of energy, then wait around all day until arena payout times. That was the game in a nutshell... Not to much to THINK about. That's why the game was growing stale for many.
This new update has changed all of that, even for me and many others who stand on equal ground as myself.
We've seen damage get nerfed across the board, challenges and missions become more difficult, and arena battles that now take longer than 1 minute to complete. Isn't this what we've wanted from launch? Didn't we want a game we actually had to THINK about instead of mindlessly clicking a button over and over again?
Therein lies the beauty that I spoke of before...
You will begin to see arena teams crop up that we never thought viable before because previously shelved characters can no longer be one-shot. You will have to THINK about which characters you want to develop, as synergies may be a real thing and gear grinding takes weeks to get a character where you want them. Leaderboards will drift far away from a "one character" meta.
You will have to THINK about your squad composition in order to three-star a mission or complete a challenge. You can no longer throw in a five Jedi squad against a Darth Maul boss and expect a quick defeat.
Galactic War will be hell for the masses, because now you have to THINK about saving every single character from an untimely death. You have to be cognizant of the status of your entire squad going from node to node, as remaining protection and health of your individual characters really does matter. This is what a real war should be like!
I'm far from saying that this is a perfect game.
What I am saying is that this game is now making players THINK, whether it's utilizing their personal ingenuity to find that edge over their opponents, swapping in a more effective character to finish that last node of Galactic War, or even going out on a limb and gearing a character that may or may not pan out in the long run even though it took weeks of grinding.
This update is what was needed to bring longevity.
I have to tip my hat to the devs on this one, as I can see that this was a thoroughly thought out strategy.
There is beauty in this update....
I can say this assuredly, as I am a player who has the ability to investigate all different aspects of these changes. Now, many of you will immediately say that because I'm a whale of epic proportions that I am unable to see it from a f2p or new player perspective. Please, hear me out before rushing to such conclusions.
Before this update was implemented SWGOH was a game of limited depth and difficulty. One would log in, quickly complete his/her dailies, auto through the challenges, sim for gear until out of energy, then wait around all day until arena payout times. That was the game in a nutshell... Not to much to THINK about. That's why the game was growing stale for many.
This new update has changed all of that, even for me and many others who stand on equal ground as myself.
We've seen damage get nerfed across the board, challenges and missions become more difficult, and arena battles that now take longer than 1 minute to complete. Isn't this what we've wanted from launch? Didn't we want a game we actually had to THINK about instead of mindlessly clicking a button over and over again?
Therein lies the beauty that I spoke of before...
You will begin to see arena teams crop up that we never thought viable before because previously shelved characters can no longer be one-shot. You will have to THINK about which characters you want to develop, as synergies may be a real thing and gear grinding takes weeks to get a character where you want them. Leaderboards will drift far away from a "one character" meta.
You will have to THINK about your squad composition in order to three-star a mission or complete a challenge. You can no longer throw in a five Jedi squad against a Darth Maul boss and expect a quick defeat.
Galactic War will be hell for the masses, because now you have to THINK about saving every single character from an untimely death. You have to be cognizant of the status of your entire squad going from node to node, as remaining protection and health of your individual characters really does matter. This is what a real war should be like!
I'm far from saying that this is a perfect game.
What I am saying is that this game is now making players THINK, whether it's utilizing their personal ingenuity to find that edge over their opponents, swapping in a more effective character to finish that last node of Galactic War, or even going out on a limb and gearing a character that may or may not pan out in the long run even though it took weeks of grinding.
This update is what was needed to bring longevity.
I have to tip my hat to the devs on this one, as I can see that this was a thoroughly thought out strategy.
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Im F2P btw but rank #1 in my server now and before the update.
this isn't chess. if you believe this is a thinking game. ROFL
there is no thinking in this game - it's just about having the toons that are flavour of the month and the grind/race to get them. EA keep changing it to get ppl to spend more on new toons. try thinking about that instead of your pompous rhetoric about strat and telling the masses they are mindless iddiots.
look at poll and you will see the overwhelming majority of ppl are not happy with the update, regardless what you THINK
PS anyone who spends ridiculous amounts of cash on this game, needs to have a think. my 2 cents
Not a dev, he's been around for a while.
If u are not thinking just press > Auto
I just started the level 77 cantina challenges, and I have to say, they are extremely difficult to three star! I have only been able to do it on one node so far. It will be a task, but that's what I have always wanted.
We wanted challenging challenges, not the same challenges with increased difficulty just to stall us out.
We wanted interesting things to do, not boring things all over again.
This update fixes nothing. They made the game harder, not more interesting. This is not the right path.
Why not wait for the guild/raid update, see if players still want more things to do, then adjust?
When guilds are added, I don't see myself spending 3 hours a day to play a mobile game, and I am, truly, sad, because I love this game.
Missions are harder now (Omega geared enemies), GW is just unfair, Challenges are impossible, and some of the nerfs went WAY too far.
I am HAPPY that pvp has been changed. I'm still rank 19 atm because I adapted my team to the changes, however I think they should have just stopped at pvp and left everything else as close to before as possible.
I think there should be no protection for enemy teams in GW, no increased difficulty in LS/DS/Cantina battles, and the challenges reverted back to normal or tweaked to mimmick pre patch.
I'd also like to see some tweaking on some of the nerfed Characters, for instance FOTP, which IS a glass cannon, now hits like a normal cannon, but still has the attributes of a glass cannon. Where is the sense in that?
Someone yesterday put it brilliantly, we were on one side of the balance pendulum, and rather than balancing it, they simply swung it to the other extreme.
This has been fixed. Now the real balancing over the next few months can be done. I'm a big fan of the challanges being harder. GW is where I like it. It will need a level cap for rising players as there is no way you can beat a plus 10 level squad anymore. I'm concerned about arena in that draw teams will become meta.
The big thing is they built a platform that the game can develop from.
lol - it's better to not say anything and let people presume you are a clueless newb, than post something like this and remove all doubt.
I agree with the OP (and I'm a guppy - $15 spent and that was 3 months ago). Solid post and thank you.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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I love strategy as much as the next guy... but credit cards aren't a good strategy nor do they require "thinking"
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Have you ever heard of the franchise TacoBell? Most likely, you have. All of the time they are releasing some new menu item. It is never anything new. It is always a taco, but now with a different sauce. Its hard to do much with tortilla shells, meat, cheese, and beans. There are only so many ways they can make something new out of those ingredients. Supreme Taco! Thats a regular taco with diced tomatoes added. Crunch Wrap Supreme! Thats a Tostada wrapped with a been filled flour tortilla. Point is... It isnt fooling anyone. At least not the 50% of the worlds population with IQs above 65.
Taking the EXACT same ship that we have been playing for 6 months, making it take 4 times as long, but STILL being the same ship, IS NOT NEW CONTENT! It is the opposite of what we wanted. In every way.
As for the meta... They didnt change it. I guess the devs are 1.5 months behind the players, in lala-land or something. Meta isnt entirely speed focused any more (pre-suckpatch). Its Dooku and evasion. And after testing every leader in the game vs top end teams, Dooku is still where its at. Thoughtless, mindless Dooku leader. He is now even more powerful, and RG is so far out there as a behemoth that you cannot get through the evades and the Iron Curtain. Its meta stapled.
Further, after the update, units like Tuskin Shaman, for no reason, took a nerf in power, dropping from well... Here is a before and after with no other adjustments but the update:
Before Update
After Update
So we get to play longer! Doing the same stuff we always did in a whole lot less time.... Thats stupid.
Dooku, RG, and Rey are all just as top end as ever... Meta is the same.
It really is the same ship, just more time or money from us to do it. They dont give a **** that weve been doing it for 6 months and are sick of this ship.
This update is what we wanted, more variety and having to think. One thing that all the complainers are missing is that we are sitting at level 73-75. At 80, all of these challenges will be easy to auto again. Arena and GW will still be challenging but that is good right?
Changed title to reflect that my perspective is one that has the ability to look at all aspects of update.
Last night I agreed with @Pilot and even switched to using Dooku myself. But this morning, my top 20 features leaders I have not seen in a long time: Phasma, HK-47, and even Barriss has returned!
Everyone needs to give this some time and see how it shakes out.
I'll give the update a chance ... I too was quite frustrated when after 45 min I had nothing to do. I had a challenge in the GW for the first time since long, because I felt again very strong teams (synergy with pre-made level X gear). Challenges are a bit longer to do, but not harder for me. I will be nice to find some difficulty in cantina nodes, but I will have to wait to see it. (only lvl 75 atm)
But I think you're too optimistic on two points :
1. Once a new "must-have" team will be found, everybody will chase it and the only diversity you'll have will be between the whale who can have it quickly, and the others.
3. There is a break point between time and rewards. Doing 1h30 GW will be funny for a short time, and tedious after that. After some days/weeks, lots of people are going to be discouraged at the beginning of their GW, and will get another application thant don't demand such an investment.
But as I said, let's wait and see.
Yes, we'll have a more vast deck of usable toons, most of the time (and I cannot stress that any more, since sometimes it's just a button smasher game) more strategy not only during the actual play, but also while building up our team(s). And that I enjoy a lot.
But still, the game just became rather time-consuming. And worse, it started being preachy and many times unbelievably boring - and when I say that I'm basically thinking about GW and challenges. Where're going to find motivation to replay the same fights (that now last forever) over and over? I'm surely not pumped up for sunday.
And unfortunately you just can't say you've got the big picture. Your vision is biased since you represent 0,0...1% of the players. The excessiveness of maxed out toons on your roster, along with basically unending supplies of crystals will just make the new "boring aspect" of this update rather skippable, leaving you plenty of time to enjoy what's good about it.
As usual - the voice of reason.
Agreed 100%. I don't know about everyone else, but for some reason, it does my heart good to drop 5* Chewie and 3* JKG in GW - and have them crank through 3 nodes, protecting my A-team members...just like tanks and "Guardians" should.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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