So defense in Arena may be a thing now
With the advent of Protection and certain characters becoming much heftier at higher levels, I am starting to see teams that are ridiculously difficult, if not impossible to beat, sitting pretty and powerful at the top of the heap. Case in point, our resident cetacean at level 79 with a maxed-out Dooku(L), Fives, IG-100 Magnaguard, Leia and Obi-Wan.
I simply cannot figure my way around this team. Leia seems perpetually stealthed, Magnaguard, Obi-Wan and Fives are a collective wall of hate, and Dooku is just there to run interference and make sure that some of my hits are going to sweep air. In the meantime Leia is gunning my characters down, and Fives' double-strikes REALLY hurt. With Obi-Wan tossing in ability block and offense down I have to deal with a couple of turns where my characters aren't able to do much.
Seriously. He has not budged from the top spot in 3 days. Kudos to him for putting up an insurmountable challenge, as well as proving the naysayers wrong.
Those who think that RG is the Arena king, or that any team can beat any other team in Arena, watch out - you'll be eating your words soon, until we all get past the pre-craft wall and even out at Level 80.
I simply cannot figure my way around this team. Leia seems perpetually stealthed, Magnaguard, Obi-Wan and Fives are a collective wall of hate, and Dooku is just there to run interference and make sure that some of my hits are going to sweep air. In the meantime Leia is gunning my characters down, and Fives' double-strikes REALLY hurt. With Obi-Wan tossing in ability block and offense down I have to deal with a couple of turns where my characters aren't able to do much.
Seriously. He has not budged from the top spot in 3 days. Kudos to him for putting up an insurmountable challenge, as well as proving the naysayers wrong.
Those who think that RG is the Arena king, or that any team can beat any other team in Arena, watch out - you'll be eating your words soon, until we all get past the pre-craft wall and even out at Level 80.
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Aside from that, I am cautiously optimistic about defensive teams making a return since I've always preferred them. But I have a suspicion that still more "tweaking" to protection is on the horizon.
The only way to beat that would be to land an ability block on Leia early on so she doesn't do a ton of damage and even then those counter-attackers are going to be real annoying with Old Ben giving you offense down. Can you imagine once they fix Old Ben's leader ability they could ditch Dooku if they wanted and added Daka or RG.
Not sure how I'm going to land that - Leia one of the fastest characters in the game, and getting that to happen will involve a QGJ-led Yoda and Lumi both getting past Dooku's dodge and landing those abilities. Since I don't have Yoda yet (sorry, focused on other things) No. 2 is the best I can hope for in the meantime.
Lumi isn't fast enough to go before leia,even with QGJ lead. There's a severe lack of speedy ability blockers with potency gear to inflict ability block in time. lumi has 0 potency from gear.
Permanent stealth is ridiculous.
I'm not sure about this, but there seems to be a bug with leia's hair trigger.Throughout the entire match, I was being three shotted. Is it just me or is everyone experiencing the same thing?
Took out Leia and Dooku in 1:45 around RG taunt.
So that will be the key getting rid of Leia and Dooku as fast as possible.
BTW Asajj can remove stealth.
Asajj has 40% potency while leia has 51% tenacity. Not too sure how the stats work out, but it doesn't seem very reliable to me. Perhaps Asajj could be buffed with more potency on her gear.
Can't stun her while she's stealthed, unless you are counting on random lucky stuns.
What aoe stunners do we have?
I have removed her stealth whenever needed if I missed the stun before she stealthed.
Stun her before she moves and stealths.
leia has 164 speed
luminara has 118+25=143 speed.Dooku has 161 speed.Daka has 136+28=164 speed (only with asajj as leader)The only possibility to stun her before she moves is daka with asajj lead.
Chance of secondary stun=40%. Chance of selecting the right secondary target=1/4=25%. Chance of overriding tenacity/dodge check= X
Chance of stunning with daka on a stealthed leia=0.4*0.25*X=0.1X pretty poor odds, seeing that the probability is lower than 10%.
I think its an overstatement to say that asajj will remove the stealth whenever needed. if it does it 100% of the time, then there is a bug with the tenacity/potency interaction between the two characters.
Never meant it would be 100% of time. I don't face Leia that much and when I do and I miss the stun it has been successful at removing the stealth. I have probably only had to to try 2 times in the last month or so.
I run Asajj lead with Daka
Every thing I have seen has Leia current max speed at 158. I don't have a max Leia but the few times I have faced her my daka goes first.
OP asked for suggestions on ways to attack/combat this team. That is what I am doing providing a suggestion that could work. As I originally stated I have not faced this team comp, my leader board is currently not creative enough.
1- stealth
2- even on a triple tap, she won't trigger rg's auto taunt
3- she triple taps again, but on rg
4- she finally kills someone on your team.
in those 3 turns, I can have 3 full rounds to kill off 2 other heroes, increasing daka' secondary stun chance (55%) to 2 targets (50%). it's happened so often that I have yet to lose to any team with furnaced lvl 76-78 leias in it in the top 3.
On my server i try to end up top 3 by payout. I can often win battles without losing any character or just one (usually rey or QGJ)
Once payout happens, this team composition usually gets bumped down to around 17th so in defence its not fantastic.
Triple tap leia happens around 33% of the time in my experience. She often shoots just once to my irritation.
@reizse is correct. Shes not the most dangerous in arena at all due to the way the AI plays her
Edit: just took 1st place on my server. Took out GS in 3 attacks of round one (2 attacks for his shield without triggering opponent RG and a rey multi attack to kill him dead even though the RG taunt kicks in) . Removed taunt from opponent RG using QGJ then stealthed leia. Oppenent IG86 next then the AI didnt have enough firepower to worry me.
I wont be able to hold first spot though. It took me 4 battles to get from 16 to 1st when i started today so only have 1 battle left and 9 hours to go
So with the addition of the new characters and the fix to Old Ben's leader ability, I am now seeing an incredible team sitting on top of our shard like an 800-pound gorilla:
Old Ben (L)
Sun Fac
Fives
Leia
IG-100
Nope, nobody's taking the no. 1 spot from him for a while.