Old Ben Leader Arena Team
May 5, 2016 5:19PM
edited May 2016
I have faced the below team in the Arena 4 times, and keep getting demolished. I have tried several combinations on my team but I have been unable to kill even a single enemy toon before I am destroyed.
Old Ben (L)
QGJ
Yoda
GS
ST Han
All of them are at L77, 7*, G8 or above.
I go for Han first to try and stun or kill, but with Ben's leader ability, I miss like half the time.
Any thoughts?
Here is my roster (L76, 7*, G8 or above):
QGJ (L)
Yoda
Leia
GS
RG
I also have these toons in reserve with same level, gear and stars:
Daka
Aayla
Lumi
Dooku
Kylo
Phasma
Barriss
Old Ben (L)
QGJ
Yoda
GS
ST Han
All of them are at L77, 7*, G8 or above.
I go for Han first to try and stun or kill, but with Ben's leader ability, I miss like half the time.
Any thoughts?
Here is my roster (L76, 7*, G8 or above):
QGJ (L)
Yoda
Leia
GS
RG
I also have these toons in reserve with same level, gear and stars:
Daka
Aayla
Lumi
Dooku
Kylo
Phasma
Barriss
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I'd say RNG is working as intended, I don't see a problem. Get some defense or use barriss on your team to overcome attacks and out heal their team..
Speed will not help you, you want Yoda so you can mitigate bad stuff, lumi for backup heals, and you need Lumi to lead if not barriss.
So Barriss (L), Lumi, QGJ, Yoda and 5th doesn't matter much.
That would be my suggestion, because that's my squad, or I use Old Ben as Lead as well. Yoda used correctly can save you.. watch for Yoda evade buff, if you can use it then immediately use Battle meditation, and everyone (Jedi) get his buffs.
Gs
Leia
RG
QGJ
That is the team I would ignore , the rest you listed I would fight.
The same can be said for dooku, but he still has leader that makes everyone dodge 40% of the time and gives them offense up, if you attack rey on your first turn it is guaranteed for rey to dodge and gain offense up, then oneshot one of your characters, fact =P
What team have you been running against the Old Ben squad? is it the QGJ, Yoda, Leia, GS, RG squad?
My QGJ led team did not do anything, so I tried Dooku as lead, and still got nothing. Even when the enemy toons missed attacking me, and I got offense up, I would then miss on my attacks and they would get turn meter gain.
I am surprised this enemy team in the Arena is not higher on the boards. They are currently around the 20 rank...
Phasma (L)
Leia
Yoda
QGJ
RG
1. Don't start on Han, he slows you down whether he's taunting or not, it's his Plan B ability. Leave Han 2nd to last.
2. Start on QGJ so he can't break RG's taunt
3. Yoda's first turn must be Battle Meditation so Old Ben doesn't lock you down and you should resist Han's passive chance at the start of his turn. Also, the Tenacity buff often causes the QGJ AI to Humbling Blow somebody to break Tenacity which is a good thing because it's not available for Taunt right away.
4. The other Yoda probably won't Battle Meditate to start (Yoda AI is so bad), so use Phasma's speed-down AOE (forget the name) to slow them down.
5. If you don't need the defense up buff, use RG to try and stun GS
So if you faced this team in GW, you can't skip it you would just abandon the GW?
That's not good advice, he wants to know HOW to fight it not how to avoid it. Plus the other teams he listed are *HIS* teams...
Put in Dooku as Leader and replace Yoda with Daka, maybe replace Leia with QGJ....
Why would you replace Yoda with Daka? the stuns are nice but Daka would be negated before she can stun Old Ben to prevent the Mind Tricks, ST Han goes before she does and would just taunt. Yoda protects your squad from Old Ben and the AI is too stupid to realize you have Tenacity up and will waste Mind Tricks on your squad anyway.
and instead of going after Han first...attack QGJ and get him out. Use Mace and QGJ to remove Hans Taunt and keep going.
– Yoda
I've been running it for a while now and it actually compliments very well. Old Ben has a chance to knock down their TM by 60% and then Han's abilities kind of continuously takes little chunks out of their TM from there, makes it hard to recover from.
Interesting. Ben(L),Rey,daka,han,gs? Could try to put hrs in there or even the soldier for a double taunt
That's the problem. When ST Han takes a hit his team gains turn meter. So by trying to kill him you're speeding up his entire team. lol
Save Han for last. When he taunts use QGJ to dispel it and ignore him. He usually doesn't get more than one taunt in.
I run Ben(L), Rey, QGJ, Yoda, ST Han. It works really well. The worst match I've had in the last week ended in a draw and that was due in part to a mistake I made. It defends pretty well even though the AI has no idea how to play Yoda.
Twice I tried to dispel han's taunt with QGJ, and both times he dodged. End game.
I can build a team to get around the turn meter boost from Han, and even the ability block from ben. But the combination of ability block, Han, AND the dodge (with even more turn meter boost) is just epic.
This seems to be a great Arena squad, maybe I should start adjusting to the new meta
I run Old Ben (L), Lumi, QGJ, Mace, and Yoda, all maxed except Yoda I'm waiting for the event to return. Being all Jedi puts a target on you, so I never stay top 50, but I'm definitely glad they finally fixed Old Ben's leader ability.
EDIT: So your team will be Phasma (L) Leia RG QGJ/GS Daka.
Daka is a 55% chance to stun, Yoda's Battle Meditation is guaranteed and the AI will usually try and use Mind Tricks even when Tenacity is up, so it gets wasted. I run a very similar Old Ben team but with Yoda opposing teams with Daka have never been a threat to Old Ben getting off Mind Tricks. Honestly, Dooku's lighting stun on Old Ben or Yoda is a bigger deal then Daka. He goes before both of them. Maybe run Dooku and Daka and put those two on Old Ben duty to make sure he either gets stunned or ability blocked.
So I tried using Phasma as lead, and tried attacking QGJ first, still could not win.
The issue here is not Ben's Mind Trick, its the high dodge rate in AI battles, and the crazy turn-meter manipulation.
Remember that everytime an enemy toon dodges, all of them get +10 turn meter.
The thing that makes this team so difficult, is Han. If he is taunting, and I hit him, then he grants turn meter to the team. If I attack him while he is taunting, and he dodges, the team still gets turn meter from Ben's leader ability.
I tried all these combinations, could not win:
QGJ(L), Yoda, Leia, RG, GS
QGJ(L), Yoda, RG, Daka, GS
Phasma(L), Yoda, Daka, GS, RG
Phasma(L), Yoda, Daka, Leia, RG
and more...
20% turn meter reduction when he takes damage while taunting.
Chance of TM reduction if he takes damage anytime
25% chance he removes TM automatically each of his turns.
Each of these affects the entire opposing team. He's a wizard.
Add old Ben and u get TM FOR dodges, too. And with old Ben L plus block, Hans 3 turn taunt turns into a 3 turn taunt! (Please please humbling blow, don't miss!)
Ok cool. I am already farming st han. I think I will drop my other projects and start working on old Ben, lol.
Dude, it's the synergy between Han and Old Ben is really good; they might as well make Old Ben a Rebel.
Use Dooku, stun QGJ first, that focus attack StHan before he taunts. Have dps toons like QGJ, Rey and GS.
Else use another fast blocker or TM with QGJ if you have him at the right ability level.
I face this team all the time and it's painful. Especially if you rock with Dooku (which I do) and still win. May the RNG be with you.