Which complaints are you trying to draw a parallel to? If it's nerf Dooku, he just makes the game boring since there's no counter to him and he's everywhere. If you're referring to precrafting and current poor accessibility to the new gear, then that would be more like today's NFL team playing one from the 40's in their cute leather helmets.
They groaned, they stirred, they all uprose, Nor spoke, nor moved their eyes; It had been strange, even in a dream, To have seen those dead men rise.
As for Dooku, EA could easily improve or introduce a character or strength/agility/intelligence improvement that could counter Dooku instead of ruining him.
Which complaints are you trying to draw a parallel to? If it's nerf Dooku, he just makes the game boring since there's no counter to him and he's everywhere. If you're referring to precrafting and current poor accessibility to the new gear, then that would be more like today's NFL team playing one from the 40's in their cute leather helmets.
What do you mean there's no counter to Dooku? Stun him! He's become irrelevant mainly with the rise of tanks. There's only one bro still running a Dooku led team in my shards top 10. Only one other in the top 20. Idk what other shards are like but he seems to be falling out of favor quick.
I used to hate Dooku, but instead of whining and belly aching about him, I built my own Dooku and learned strategies to defeat him when he's on the opposing team.
As for Dooku, EA could easily improve or introduce a character or strength/agility/intelligence improvement that could counter Dooku instead of ruining him.
So rather than toning him down, you'd rather see a character specifically created to counter him so that you then have teams that are already 2/5ths pre-filled?
Dooku just makes arena boring since he's on most teams. And frustrating when you miss multiple attacks in a row. I've missed 10 attacks in a row once. Sure, that's really bad RNG, but it's also really frustrating to make zero gains and having no control over it at all. No amount of "good play" would've prevented that.
They groaned, they stirred, they all uprose, Nor spoke, nor moved their eyes; It had been strange, even in a dream, To have seen those dead men rise.
I LOVE seeing Dooku on opposing teams. He means absolutely nothing to this game anymore. Dodge is only a mere annoyance now, no longer decides battles. And his counter only feeds my STH and I get twice the turns.
Because things to counter things is overall less efficient than fixing of the issue. I've been playing card games and other games for over 2 decades and mechanics created to counter other mechanics does not work in the end. Eventually the actual problem needs to be dealt with directly.
If this game had more customization where you could gear your characters for various effects, that would be one thing. But introducing a counter character means your forcing people to give up 1 of their 5 slots to deal with a problem.
And something that's out of balance makes the game more stale as the problem item becomes too far used. So you then either have the problem or the counter to the problem and little else in between.
For the best game, most of the character should be balanced and viable. Dooku currently prevents that.
They groaned, they stirred, they all uprose, Nor spoke, nor moved their eyes; It had been strange, even in a dream, To have seen those dead men rise.
This thread is completely true. It's the reason why in sports they don't give the best draft picks to the worst teams, or use salary caps. Because they are not at all interested in balance.
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"For the best game, most of the character should be balanced and viable. Dooku currently prevents that."
I disagree. While he can be a challenge (which is supposed to exist in a game) to beat, I'm not having the problem you're describing. Perhaps there would be more viable characters against Dooku if EA hadn't nerfed them in the first place as well.
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"For the best game, most of the character should be balanced and viable. Dooku currently prevents that."
I disagree. While he can be a challenge (which is supposed to exist in a game) to beat, I'm not having the problem you're describing. Perhaps there would be more viable characters against Dooku if EA hadn't nerfed them in the first place as well.
No. Dodge/miss/evade is an all or nothing thing. It's not a buff or reduction to damage like crit, damage, and defense bonuses. You either land that hit or you completely wif. When it happens as part of regular RNG, that can be lived with. But Dooku adds a fairly substantial boost to this which can result in complete non-games when you miss over and over. It seems like a good idea on paper, but a poor one in practice. Dooku is not healthy for the game. You either have frustrating players or everyone is running him, creating a boring and repetitive meta. Add characters like Sid to the mix, and you're killing a whole subset of characters like the Jedi. Combination of two characters should not greatly weekend a dozen.
They groaned, they stirred, they all uprose, Nor spoke, nor moved their eyes; It had been strange, even in a dream, To have seen those dead men rise.
Looks at any FPS, fighter, or MOBA. Do they introduce new characters when existing ones are an issue or do they rework existing ones? Counters don't work long term.
They groaned, they stirred, they all uprose, Nor spoke, nor moved their eyes; It had been strange, even in a dream, To have seen those dead men rise.
I actually haven't had problems hitting Dooku. His dodge doesn't seem any more obsessive than other toons. I've actually found Luminara to be really annoying in that area lately. Of course, Sidious is no picnic to try to hit if you try to use Jedi against him, but I've never noticed excessive dodge/evade fighting against Dooku.
I actually haven't had problems hitting Dooku. His dodge doesn't seem any more obsessive than other toons. I've actually found Luminara to be really annoying in that area lately. Of course, Sidious is no picnic to try to hit if you try to use Jedi against him, but I've never noticed excessive dodge/evade fighting against Dooku.
You've been luck then. Dooku offers higher dodge rate than Lumi.
Like I said, the frustraigtion is in the all or nothing aspect. Just about ever other ability either lessens or increases the effect of whatever you're doing. When players are seeing zero progress, it becomes an issue.
They groaned, they stirred, they all uprose, Nor spoke, nor moved their eyes; It had been strange, even in a dream, To have seen those dead men rise.
I LOVE seeing Dooku on opposing teams. He means absolutely nothing to this game anymore. Dodge is only a mere annoyance now, no longer decides battles. And his counter only feeds my STH and I get twice the turns.
This and when your tank taunts and you can hit away on Dook and he is forced to attack the tank, it's like no one knows how to play a strategy anymore just whine for a nerf
Wow.. How long has it been since you followed the NFL?
I'm a fan of the Niners of yesterday. That team we have now: The Santa Clara Miners, the Mt View Nuggets, or whatever they've become? I don't know what that is, but they don't deserve to have "SF" on those helmets.
This thread is completely true. It's the reason why in sports they don't give the best draft picks to the worst teams, or use salary caps. Because they are not at all interested in balance.
Actually not all sports are the best pick to worst team. NHL uses a lotto system. Sabres were the worst team two years in a row, they did not get first pick, though I'm extremely happy with Sammy and Eichel so all good.
With contract restructures and stuff it is easy to move around the cap.
I think the OP's point is stop whining for nerfs because you can't beat a team, especially if they have better geared characters. I agree 110% with this point. I'm sorry my gear 10 Omega Rey destroys you. I spent money and time farming to get that and to hit 80. I'm sorry your entire team is stunned because of Dakas Omega, I did the max Omega dailies to get that. Don't cry nerf because you put in less than another, and certainly don't call nerf because you can't figure out how to beat a team. Every team is beatable. You just may not have the strat, or the tools to do so yet, does not mean that a nerf is needed, only means you need to develop YOUR team more and develop YOUR strategy more.
I'm sorry but it may be my age here but this is a problem in and out of game. Everyone thinks they are entitled to succeed and win. Guess what? You are not. Those who succeed and win often put in a ton of blood sweat and tears to get there. Develop your charaters, change strat. Also ask for advice/input INSTEAD of for a nerf. Many here are willing to help. I know I am, I know others like @Qeltar are very free with advice. Ask for help in getting better, not to make others worse.
I LOVE seeing Dooku on opposing teams. He means absolutely nothing to this game anymore. Dodge is only a mere annoyance now, no longer decides battles. And his counter only feeds my STH and I get twice the turns.
This and when your tank taunts and you can hit away on Dook and he is forced to attack the tank, it's like no one knows how to play a strategy anymore just whine for a nerf
I LOVE seeing Dooku on opposing teams. He means absolutely nothing to this game anymore. Dodge is only a mere annoyance now, no longer decides battles. And his counter only feeds my STH and I get twice the turns.
This and when your tank taunts and you can hit away on Dook and he is forced to attack the tank, it's like no one knows how to play a strategy anymore just whine for a nerf
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That's not the point.
Not precrafting. Look closer at the opposing team's request. Very relevant to a hotly contested issue on these forums.
Which complaints are you trying to draw a parallel to? If it's nerf Dooku, he just makes the game boring since there's no counter to him and he's everywhere. If you're referring to precrafting and current poor accessibility to the new gear, then that would be more like today's NFL team playing one from the 40's in their cute leather helmets.
As for Dooku, EA could easily improve or introduce a character or strength/agility/intelligence improvement that could counter Dooku instead of ruining him.
What do you mean there's no counter to Dooku? Stun him! He's become irrelevant mainly with the rise of tanks. There's only one bro still running a Dooku led team in my shards top 10. Only one other in the top 20. Idk what other shards are like but he seems to be falling out of favor quick.
So rather than toning him down, you'd rather see a character specifically created to counter him so that you then have teams that are already 2/5ths pre-filled?
Dooku just makes arena boring since he's on most teams. And frustrating when you miss multiple attacks in a row. I've missed 10 attacks in a row once. Sure, that's really bad RNG, but it's also really frustrating to make zero gains and having no control over it at all. No amount of "good play" would've prevented that.
If this game had more customization where you could gear your characters for various effects, that would be one thing. But introducing a counter character means your forcing people to give up 1 of their 5 slots to deal with a problem.
And something that's out of balance makes the game more stale as the problem item becomes too far used. So you then either have the problem or the counter to the problem and little else in between.
For the best game, most of the character should be balanced and viable. Dooku currently prevents that.
"For the best game, most of the character should be balanced and viable. Dooku currently prevents that."
I disagree. While he can be a challenge (which is supposed to exist in a game) to beat, I'm not having the problem you're describing. Perhaps there would be more viable characters against Dooku if EA hadn't nerfed them in the first place as well.
No. Dodge/miss/evade is an all or nothing thing. It's not a buff or reduction to damage like crit, damage, and defense bonuses. You either land that hit or you completely wif. When it happens as part of regular RNG, that can be lived with. But Dooku adds a fairly substantial boost to this which can result in complete non-games when you miss over and over. It seems like a good idea on paper, but a poor one in practice. Dooku is not healthy for the game. You either have frustrating players or everyone is running him, creating a boring and repetitive meta. Add characters like Sid to the mix, and you're killing a whole subset of characters like the Jedi. Combination of two characters should not greatly weekend a dozen.
You've been luck then. Dooku offers higher dodge rate than Lumi.
Like I said, the frustraigtion is in the all or nothing aspect. Just about ever other ability either lessens or increases the effect of whatever you're doing. When players are seeing zero progress, it becomes an issue.
I'm a fan of the Niners of yesterday. That team we have now: The Santa Clara Miners, the Mt View Nuggets, or whatever they've become? I don't know what that is, but they don't deserve to have "SF" on those helmets.
Actually not all sports are the best pick to worst team. NHL uses a lotto system. Sabres were the worst team two years in a row, they did not get first pick, though I'm extremely happy with Sammy and Eichel so all good.
With contract restructures and stuff it is easy to move around the cap.
I think the OP's point is stop whining for nerfs because you can't beat a team, especially if they have better geared characters. I agree 110% with this point. I'm sorry my gear 10 Omega Rey destroys you. I spent money and time farming to get that and to hit 80. I'm sorry your entire team is stunned because of Dakas Omega, I did the max Omega dailies to get that. Don't cry nerf because you put in less than another, and certainly don't call nerf because you can't figure out how to beat a team. Every team is beatable. You just may not have the strat, or the tools to do so yet, does not mean that a nerf is needed, only means you need to develop YOUR team more and develop YOUR strategy more.
I'm sorry but it may be my age here but this is a problem in and out of game. Everyone thinks they are entitled to succeed and win. Guess what? You are not. Those who succeed and win often put in a ton of blood sweat and tears to get there. Develop your charaters, change strat. Also ask for advice/input INSTEAD of for a nerf. Many here are willing to help. I know I am, I know others like @Qeltar are very free with advice. Ask for help in getting better, not to make others worse.
Cheers as I get of my soapbox.
LOL I'm guessing a few decades,lol.
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Leader abilities continue after they die.