Omega Fives is not broken. He is finally fixed.
May 8, 2016 12:35PM
edited May 2016
I've been here since launch, and since launch there have been Fives fans. Probably driven by their love for him in the lore and his beefy stats and counterattack, every few days someone would sing his praises in the OF, calling him a "monster".
And then I, and a few others, would reply with something like the following: "He is annoying, but not dangerous. Just leave him for the end, then wipe him out."
And that's exactly what we would do.
Now we can't.
Tauntless tanks have always had major problems in the game, because it is difficult to make them threatening when you can't force the other team to attack them. Fives, Mace, Finn, Boba and even Old Ben all fall into this category. You have to give them something to allow them to draw aggro. Otherwise they aren't really tanks -- they are just meatbags.
CG has had difficulty with this balancing act. Finn is terrible and even worse with his AI. Mace's revamp was a failure (though just a couple of small changes would fix him.) Old Ben is not a real tank either, but he has other assets that make this less of an issue.
Fives, however, is a success. He is no longer merely annoying -- he is dangerous. You can leave him until the end if you want, but unless you are prepared to deal with him at that end, you will lose. As it should be.
So yes, Fives is going to 1v3 and 1v4 some improperly-constructed / unlucky / half-dead teams. As it should be. Remember that if you leave him for the end that means that basically you've been fighting a 5v4 until that point. But the fight is 5v5. You have to beat everyone. Nowhere is it written that once you kill 4, the last kill is automatic.
There are counters to Fives. Stun/control/TM/taunts are effective. Mass damage is effective. His slows can be cleansed. Yoda can handle him effectively for a long time. There are many options. (Imagine a Fives pecking away at a beefy taunting ST Han for example.)
Control teams (which I have long advocated) are the best. I just finished an arena match where an omega Fives died without getting a single attack.
He is not invincible. He is just usually not played properly.
I am not one of those players who speaks out against every nerf. There are cases where a character is clearly outclassing all competition and needs adjustment. Fives doesn't. People just need to get better at playing against him. And also to remember that soon all characters will have more protection and more offense and more omega abilities. He's a bit ahead of the pack right now.
ETA: For the record, I have never used Fives in PvP. But I do fight him a lot, lol.
And then I, and a few others, would reply with something like the following: "He is annoying, but not dangerous. Just leave him for the end, then wipe him out."
And that's exactly what we would do.
Now we can't.
Tauntless tanks have always had major problems in the game, because it is difficult to make them threatening when you can't force the other team to attack them. Fives, Mace, Finn, Boba and even Old Ben all fall into this category. You have to give them something to allow them to draw aggro. Otherwise they aren't really tanks -- they are just meatbags.
CG has had difficulty with this balancing act. Finn is terrible and even worse with his AI. Mace's revamp was a failure (though just a couple of small changes would fix him.) Old Ben is not a real tank either, but he has other assets that make this less of an issue.
Fives, however, is a success. He is no longer merely annoying -- he is dangerous. You can leave him until the end if you want, but unless you are prepared to deal with him at that end, you will lose. As it should be.
So yes, Fives is going to 1v3 and 1v4 some improperly-constructed / unlucky / half-dead teams. As it should be. Remember that if you leave him for the end that means that basically you've been fighting a 5v4 until that point. But the fight is 5v5. You have to beat everyone. Nowhere is it written that once you kill 4, the last kill is automatic.
There are counters to Fives. Stun/control/TM/taunts are effective. Mass damage is effective. His slows can be cleansed. Yoda can handle him effectively for a long time. There are many options. (Imagine a Fives pecking away at a beefy taunting ST Han for example.)
Control teams (which I have long advocated) are the best. I just finished an arena match where an omega Fives died without getting a single attack.
He is not invincible. He is just usually not played properly.
I am not one of those players who speaks out against every nerf. There are cases where a character is clearly outclassing all competition and needs adjustment. Fives doesn't. People just need to get better at playing against him. And also to remember that soon all characters will have more protection and more offense and more omega abilities. He's a bit ahead of the pack right now.
ETA: For the record, I have never used Fives in PvP. But I do fight him a lot, lol.
Quit 7/14/16. Best of luck to all of you.
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1) Stun. He is stunned extremely easily. RG annihilates him, just don't wait before your RG falls below 50%. Daka and other stunners also rocks against him.
2) Stealth. Leia is a Fives killer. She is not a f2p, but she is not the only one. Ewoks, Jawas, NS laso have stealth characters with-in their synergy.
3) Foresight. Yoda and Rey can pretty successfully hit him without being punished for their insolence.
4) Tenacity up. No speed down, no double attacks.
5) Calling for assist. No counter for assisting characters.
6) Offence down. Reducing his damage from counter.
7) Powerful nukes. The less attacks you use, the less counter-damage you get.
8) Counter-attackers. His double attack is followed by double-counter usually.
5-8 are a bit less effective ways but also possible. Better to use them in combination with one of other mentioned.
Fives is a solid character, and one of the few bruisers that can actually fill their roll. Deal with a bruiser or be punished. Bruisers are highly disruptive and/or put out good damage over time (not huge burst) and demand that they are addressed or planned around in some way even though they don't generally have hard crowd control effects. Or that's how they are supposed to work, in SW:GoH most of them just sit there.
CG needs to work on making other bruisers relevant, not undoing one of the few successes. For the record, I consider these characters bruisers in addition to or instead of their stated tag:
Aayla Secura
Captain Phasma
CT-5555
Darth Vader
Finn
Jedi Knight Anakin
Kylo Ren
Mace Windu
Nightsister Initiate
Savage Oppress
Snowtrooper
Teebo
Tusken Raider
Boba Fett isnt a tank or a bruiser at the moment, his kit is just that bad.
Now think of how many of these characters actually succeed at making you deal them at some point before the end of the match, or actually cause you any difficulty at all for ignoring them entirely. Bruisers really need some buff/rework love.
1 stun and he's toast, and if the enemy teams has Han, he's just giving them free TM.
He's extremely good in GW though. Never dies and hits quite hard, so he's on my main roster.
Phasma and Teebo are currently key to raids. Please leave them the hell alone, and I mean than nicely.
5s is great.
Raider is a decent raider.
Vader and AS I agree.
Oh there's nothing wrong with Phasma and Teemo. That's not a list of characters that need changes, it's a list of all the characters I consider to be bruisers. Some of them are perfectly fine, some of them aren't.
The only thing I would change about Teebo and Phasma is adding a bruiser tag (replacing the tank tag in Teebo's case).
So you are calling for QGJ nerfs (LOL), yet one stun against Fives and he is 'toast'? Are you talking 4v1 against him or...? Do you have him at 5 star gear 8? Oh my...Fives may be fixed and where he needs to be, but he is also the meta. That doesn't mean anything necessarily, just saying.
It's not rocket surgery.