Suggested changes to Finn
May 15, 2016 8:43AM
edited May 2016
Finn isn't a terrible hero, but he isn't viable in arena, and doesn't pack enough of a punch in other battle modes either.
One of my main issues is that Finn isn't at all like a tank. The only tank like ability he has is his leader ability which adds a paltry 35 defense to all Resistance allies.
In fact, his tank-like-abilities are so bad that I have gone through the first 11 stages of GW and he has been hit by single target attack zero times. He was only hit by AOE or counter. So he provides no protection to any of his allies.
First change: Change Finn's leader ability Balanced Tactics to 'Finn has a 65% chance to give all other Resistance allies stealth at the start of their turns.'
For comparison Teebo has a 55% chance for every single ally regardless of faction. This would make the choice between Poe as leader or Finn as leader a tougher decision now. Maybe one for defense and one for offense in full Resistance teams.
Second change: Remove his second ability 'Hold The Line' Entirely. It's useless in every single way. The worst part is that the AI uses it every chance it gets.
Third change: Removal of this ability is effectively a nerf. This will make the way for some or all of these buffs:
A buff to speed: Currently it is 113 at max everything. As he isn't a real tank anyway, change his speed to 135. He will now go before Resistance Trooper, so there is greater synergy there.
A buff to potency: currently 62%, buffed to 75%. His stuns and exposes will now stick more.
A buff to heath steal: currently 20% at max, now 30%. This will make up for the loss of his second ability heal.
Every player who invested ability mats in his second ability will have them returned to the player, as it is now removed.
So, what do you think? Any questions or concerns?
One of my main issues is that Finn isn't at all like a tank. The only tank like ability he has is his leader ability which adds a paltry 35 defense to all Resistance allies.
In fact, his tank-like-abilities are so bad that I have gone through the first 11 stages of GW and he has been hit by single target attack zero times. He was only hit by AOE or counter. So he provides no protection to any of his allies.
First change: Change Finn's leader ability Balanced Tactics to 'Finn has a 65% chance to give all other Resistance allies stealth at the start of their turns.'
For comparison Teebo has a 55% chance for every single ally regardless of faction. This would make the choice between Poe as leader or Finn as leader a tougher decision now. Maybe one for defense and one for offense in full Resistance teams.
Second change: Remove his second ability 'Hold The Line' Entirely. It's useless in every single way. The worst part is that the AI uses it every chance it gets.
Third change: Removal of this ability is effectively a nerf. This will make the way for some or all of these buffs:
A buff to speed: Currently it is 113 at max everything. As he isn't a real tank anyway, change his speed to 135. He will now go before Resistance Trooper, so there is greater synergy there.
A buff to potency: currently 62%, buffed to 75%. His stuns and exposes will now stick more.
A buff to heath steal: currently 20% at max, now 30%. This will make up for the loss of his second ability heal.
Every player who invested ability mats in his second ability will have them returned to the player, as it is now removed.
Just kidding about that last part 
So, what do you think? Any questions or concerns?
My name is cosmicturtle333, aka CT-333, aka Threes.
Suggested changes to Finn 60 votes
I like this change - he needs a buff
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I dislike this change - he is fine as is
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I dislike this change - here is another suggestion
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-Finn is so slow.. his slowness has compromised me so many times. I agree, either speed him up or buff something from him that would balance his slow speed with better damage or utility.
-His basic attack is the best ONLY for the first attack.. that's all sadly.. Maybe add something?
-His second ability is super bad. Maybe CG can give him the FOST treatment and buff all allies? I rather have the ability reworked because it's a waste of a turn and Finn is slow already.
-I agree he needs better potency on the third skill OR maybe his omega increases % to stick rather than damage.
His leader could be changed as well but it seems okay for resistance teams.
I'm also working on it, but I'm worried about everyone's potency, the synergy is basically expose and if they don't land there's only the dmg boost from Poes leader ability.
How are they right now? Are you using them with or without Finn atm?
Edit: typo
His leader ability is Okay, but Poe's is better. And who is going to have a Resistance team without Poe anyway?
Everyone is 7* except Trooper who is 6*. They are alright, but not very good in arena the last update basically destroyed Trooper and Pilot.
As battles last longer damage means less. They need a healer and /or reviver.
I'm holding out hope though. I have collected enough materials to take him or Phasma to gear 10 at 80. Decisions, decisions. I wish it was a hard choice.
1) Keep tank classification
Hold the Line- party wide, and Finn counters whenever an ally is attacked
2)Non tank related, but fills resistance need
Rename Hold the Line to Medical Droid
Finn deploys a medical droid that restores 20% health and protection to all allies
3) Because
In addition to #1- Finn pulls out a lightsaber, burns a line into the ground and says "Thou shalt not pass." Finn does x4 damage with lightsaber and moves at double speed
Potency and % chance to proc need to be raised to gain viability. After the supposed speed nerfbats were swung, this slow as molasses character now packs less of a punch. Takedown hits in the 2k range non crit, and mostly doesn't land a stun or expose, and when it does try to land, we see resists.
Got my resistance team full 7* last week. I will be sitting on Pilot and Trooper in gear 8 for a while. They're just too weak to justify my resources. And their bump in protection (all the way to gear 11) just isn't that large per gear level.
Trooper was some fun on t6 rancor, but he was easily one shot with a slam crit. T7 he would need all the protection g11 could offer to survive, but he's resisted all the time so why?
Rules only apply when they affect others.
Ignoring them. Certain ones are enforced, certain ones aren't. I've never seen this one enforced.
It's like saying stoopid to get around the word filter, you're never going to get a warning for it.
EDIT: If you don't like it then report me.
i only asked if you chose to ignore them, or forgot the guidlines. i dont mind bumbs, i just think its a bit hypocritical that you, of all people on this forum, choose to ignore the guidlines. I am most certainly not going to report someone for bumping.
It would be hypocritical if I had accosted someone else for this reason before, but I won't as I think the rule is generally pretty stoopid.
Obviously bump
bump
bump
bump
is stoopid, and in that instance I would day something.
But once on a poll isn't that big of a deal.
P.S. thanks for bumping my thread.
Dont they have anything better to do?
Nah, not really.
Free bump for you CT.
that would be true if you actually had not accosted someone else for posting against the forum guidlines, but you did, many times.
Yeah I did, for breaking other rules. I haven't accosted anyone for breaking this rule.
What you're saying is that I can't tell murderers that they're bad people because I got in a bar fight, there's a difference.
My suggestion would be a micro version of victory march
Hold the line - Finn gains advantage for himself and one random ally. All allies gain 35% Turn Meter.
Or
Hold the line - Finn taunts for 2 turns and heals x% over the start of his next 2 turns
Im also not sure about the stealth bit. I like his offence boost for rey, RT and RP (and don't own poe) playing against a perma-stealthed Rey may be a bit OP
Would be nice if he got reworked for arena viability as I only use him in GW & some challenges but
RT NEEDS SOME LOVE AS WELL!
The idea with the 'all other Resistance allies gain stealth' was that it effectively gives him a taunt. But, it's still easily counterable and RNG dependent.
Except he is the least shiny Resistance hero in a faction that barely shines at all.
he has dark skin