Rey is balanced.. Royal guard isn't..
June 6, 2016 12:59AM
edited June 2016
Rey's damage is on par with IG-86, Leia, qui gon and Genosian soldier.. The latter of the three have much better utility to make up for doing a little bit less damage. But Rey's problem is not her being OP, it's her knight in shining armor Royal Guard. He is the annoying part of the arena, and as soon as the protection was implemented we all knew he was gonna be the best toon period. Yes he's beatable, no he shouldn't be nerfed into oblivion, something needs to change though. Everyone uses him. And using two tanks (Royal guard and Han) is starting to become the meta. Royal guard instantly makes a team a lot better. He shields the best damage dealers.. And there is very little chance of ignoring him. He fits into every team possible and is a useful member. Which is why everyone in the arena uses him. I counted it today.. 19 out of the top 20 in my arena shard, including myself use him. We either need a f2p counter, or.. he needs to be reworked in some way. Like for example... no taunting when he's stunned. That would effectively make Daka a hard counter to him, Royal guard would be effective against him, as well as other stun users.. But yeah Rey isn't the problem, the big red demon is the problem. And there's no getting around him unless... well, you have B2.
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AOE by Lando squashes despite taunt.
Both F2P. Be quiet, stop crying
1.Youre stupid
2. Nobodies crying
3. Qui gon is not a counter to Royal guard, he is merely his biggest threat. Qui gon can easily be killed before Royal guard even taunts ****.. Not to mention the fact that Royal guard is the only toon with a unique passive ability that taunts. Royal guard at the very least shouldn't taunt when stunned. Why don't you actually address the thread before trolling please? Also.. are you seriously calling lando a counter to Royal guard? Based solely on the fact he has a very good aoe? Regardless, of whether you agree with me or not, you should act a little more mature.
Speed - slow
Damage - low
Health - high
Utility - medium
He seems pretty balanced to me.
Your problem isn't RG, it's the heroes who hide behind him. His taunt is a good ability. He's balanced. He doesn't need to be reworked.
You said in your post that "we need a FTP counter" to RG. He told you that QGJ is F2P and he's right. You're getting awfully angry for no reason here. What do you consider a counter to a taunt if not someone who removes taunts? Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're trolling. Oh and yeah, you are crying.
Edit: I agree with you on the taunting while stunned thing, I'm pretty sure a dev said at one point that toons should not be dodging or called to assist while stunned. They fixed the assist but the dodge remains, and I don't think taunts should happen while he is stunned.
I run a team with a few options to deal with RG. My team is:
Asajj Ventress (L)
Kylo Ren
Night Sister Initiate
Ahsoka
Daka
I have 3 options to deal with RG:
1) use NI to place buff immunity on him. This rarely works. Her ability to place that negative status effect is just horrendous. However, when it does work, even if only 1/10 times, I generally have an easy win on my hands.
2) use Asajj to take the taunt away. This feels like a wasted turn, because unlike QGJ, her dispell isn't an attack, nor does it offer my team any buffs. It is a self heal, and that early in the battle, there's rarely anything to heal. And given her horrible speed, before I can get to this option and return to the original target, they've been healed back over 50% and I'm stuck again.
3) use Asajj and Kylo Ren AoE to try and kill the original target despite the taunt. This is probably my favorite method actually. Against low health characters, this works very well.
Often enough tho, all 3 of these options fail and I'm forced to kill RG first regardless. In that case, the fight is unwinnable.
If diversity is a goal another auto taunt say on Mace would help. He would provide an alternative between RG and QG.
The solution to RG, Rey tes is either go mirror and big damage with which the terrible AI you always win or go a little beefier to survive until the taunt drops and you can kill her. Ale helps for finishing blows
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I think it would be cool to have a light side equivalent to RG, but it wouldn't work with mace unless they gave him a huge health boost. Also, Jedi taunting would not be a great idea because there are a ridiculous amount of characters in this game that have anti-Jedi skills
The first sentence is completely inaccurate so it's hard to consider the rest of your argument. Rey's damage is much more than any other character.
QGJ is weak damage, great utility! But not great on damage (unless he calls Rey to assist of course) do I really need to elaborate this one?
GS may hit for a 10kish crit + an assist (3-5k sound fair?) every other turn but his basic, if it crits, is about 6k. I'd say GS total dps = Rey's basic damage average but rey also has two high damage abilities which tip the scale.
Leia has to use one turn to stealth, you can't just ignore that. Also her damage per hit on an equal gear player is roughly 3-5k (with crit) per hit. IF she triple taps that's 9-15k dmg which is almost close to Rey's furry, but not much more than Rey's basic. Keeping into account she doesn't triple tap every time,her average is probably 7-10k per basic but she also loses a turn to stealth so that should be taken into account.
Ig 86 I can't speak volumes in but he really only shines in a full droid team and he has less survivability than Rey.
These are just rough estimates but feel it's pretty fair critique. Rey could take a 15% damage nerf and still be the best dps in game and also more survivability than QGJ, GS, and ig-86. Rey has foresight and also life steal.
Trust me. This is old news. This was the case starting within 1 week after the protection update on my server. And guess what. This is nothing but a passing fad. This is what works at this stage on your server, is all. It will change before you know it.
Rg and han and rey will remain good toons, but they arent worth much in any combination without key other toons. And the best free to play squads do not include all 3, afaic.
If ur complaining about tanks now i wonder where the heck u were with the protection update. It is about 2 months too late to complain.
Agree on the big red elephant in the room.
The force is out of balance on these two.
Nerfing rg or rey, or slightly buffing other toons to do more reylike damage is not increasing diversity either.
The way to increase diversity is to have access to all the toons. And to give as many toons as possible unique places where they shine. Using unique synergies and abilities. And dps.
When a skill gives 25% chance to do 55% more of this or that, do u think the devs pull those numbers out of a hat? Or do u think they test this with hundreds of squad on squad combinations and tweak it to be right?
The devs have access to all the toons. You do not. Metas are not stable. It is just a slice of the entire game u are seeing in one point in time.
test? hundreds?
+10
Every other attacker is underpowered. Obviously.
When a toon becomes the new basis for damage, it's definitely not a problem.
Get on her levels other attackers scrubs!
Is GS also going to lose 60% damage when debuffed? And FOTP, too? And RP?
If u buff other toons rey will not be desirable. Too many people have already developed toons to beat her. Now she will be one of the worst dps.
Once the rest of the people catch up on how to beat rey, meta will shift to fotp or rp or other dps, naturally. There is no need to make reactionary changes.
(I dont have rey, yet. Well 4* G6)
That's why they are the 2 used. They are they only ones built right.
I wished all taunters would get reworks and have extremely high health like RG with a way to taunt fast. Just different utility