Rancor Tenacity after Topple
June 24, 2016 7:33PM
edited June 2016
Did I miss somewhere that Rancor tenacity goes up like 2000% after topple?
I swear at the start of the battle (Teebo L, Phasma, EE, FOO, Chief C), I can land, speed down, Teebo & FOO Turn Meter reduction, Defense down, etc. all day long. As soon as I drop that door, I get 0% debuf and TMR. I tested this multiple times and same results.
Maybe this is a known fact but I'm just realizing this. For a T6, T7 raid, is this a legitimate strategy to forego the door drop to keep Rancor from getting ultra p*ssed and resisting all debuffs?
EDIT - Hey all, I'm not referring to TMR or debuffs while the door is down. That's not possible. I'm referring to after the door comes back up. Rancor seems immune to debuffs "AFTER" he's standing again.
I swear at the start of the battle (Teebo L, Phasma, EE, FOO, Chief C), I can land, speed down, Teebo & FOO Turn Meter reduction, Defense down, etc. all day long. As soon as I drop that door, I get 0% debuf and TMR. I tested this multiple times and same results.
Maybe this is a known fact but I'm just realizing this. For a T6, T7 raid, is this a legitimate strategy to forego the door drop to keep Rancor from getting ultra p*ssed and resisting all debuffs?
EDIT - Hey all, I'm not referring to TMR or debuffs while the door is down. That's not possible. I'm referring to after the door comes back up. Rancor seems immune to debuffs "AFTER" he's standing again.
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However, I just got to witness the Rancor dying (6*). Never seen that animation before.
Do you get a bonus for the being the last person battling when the Rancor finally dies?
I try to avoid triggering the Door for as long as possible due to this since its nearly impossible to get Slow/TM down applied after he gets up which leads the rancor to start decimating my squad.
No but I intend to tomorrow when my Turn Meter A team is back. I'll run a non-door test and then quit at the end to do a door down test. I did this several times today but didn't record. From what I could tell, whenever I dropped the door and rancor got back up, I had 0% on all TMR and debuff.
I understand the potency issue. Just wondering why there seemed to be such a distinct difference before and after the door.
Maybe it seems that way, because before the door drop you probably restart until you land a debuff. And after you used the door you don't restart anymore.
It is not that. From my experience I believe the Rancor tenacity is rigged to a massive increase after a door phase. Characters that could land a slow or a debuff get 100% resisted because of poor potency but the most surprising is that a fully geared QGJ tm reduction also get a resisted message almost every time. We are talking here about a toon with 240% potency.
I can confirm that lowering the door increases PERMANENTLY the Tenacity of our old ugly friend (until the current combat ends, that's it).
Of course, I already know that while the rancor is Toppled with the door, Turn Meter reductions and SOME debuffs cannot land. But even when the Topple turn ends, the door opens again, the panel goes on cooldown and the Rancor returns to normal, he is much much harder to debuff than before.
This are statistical data i gathered around this (Rancor Tier V, 7* team item level 8-10. always same chars Teebo L, Phasma, Rey, GS, Luminara).
Teebo turn meter reductions BEFORE Toppling: 364 tries / 316 success ( +- 87% success rate)
Teebo turn meter reductions AFTER Toppling (once the Rancor frees again): 242 tries / 104 success ( +- 43% success rate)
Phasma Slow applications BEFORE Toppling: 96 tries / 64 success ( +- 67% success rate )
Phasma Slow applications AFTER Toppling (once the Rancor frees again): 65 tries / 23 success ( +- 35% success rate )
Summary: Teebo Turn Meter reduction before dropping the door is on a 87% success rate, after dropping the door (and the rancor frees again), it lowers to 43% success rate only. The sample is not statistically big enough to be precise, but it is for being significant. Simmilar results go for Phasma Slow fusillade.
Also, all my Guild Mates have noticed similar results, and happens with any debuffing eligible character.
Only tested on Rancor levels V and IV, though. I did not track any noticeable difference between phase II and phase III. Phase IV (lacking the door panel) results in a Rancor that is usually harder to debuff than phase II and III before Toppling, but easier to debuff than Rancor on phases II and III after Toppling. Unlike the phase II and III data, this is just speculation based on experience, didn't track data points for this.
I don't know if this is a bug,or an intended behavior, but it's a fact that it is happening.
Regards
A.
(from heroic) "As long as this unit isn't Toppled, it has +50% Tenacity"
Which means...before hitting the door, and after it goes back up again, he has +50% Tenacity. But while the door is DOWN, he doesn't get the bonus tenacity and is therefore easier to land debuffs on. So why is it surprising that it's harder to land debuffs after the door goes back up?
Personally I don't even bother trying to land speed down before dropping the door on him...when I do heroic P2 my first 2 toons to act will kill the control panel. Phasma is my leader and is third to act, so I pretty much always get it that my first action after dropping the door is Fusillade, which is easy to land speed down with (and mine isn't omega'd) once the rancor is toppled. I rarely have to restart because speed down didn't stick.
Clearly.
They are saying that before the door drops down on him, his Tenacity is lower. Not when the door is on him. Something you may not have noticed because ...