How to tell when Critical Chance Mod Set Bonus is better than Offense Mod Set Bonus
July 22, 2016 1:08PM
edited July 2016
Well, I think I've covered all but speed with these now? This one came out incredibly simply:
CriticalDamage > [2 - CriticalChance]/[1 - CriticalChance]
Notice that this will never happen, so Critical Chance is never better than Offense?
Remember all variables in their decimal form.
Also, I just used the Critical Chance Mod bonus from 2 sets, since that's 4 total mods just like the Offense Set.
CriticalDamage > [2 - CriticalChance]/[1 - CriticalChance]
Notice that this will never happen, so Critical Chance is never better than Offense?
Remember all variables in their decimal form.
Also, I just used the Critical Chance Mod bonus from 2 sets, since that's 4 total mods just like the Offense Set.
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CriticalDamage > 1/(1 - CriticalChance)
Maybe I am missing something, to me if I could use crit chance mods to make my crit chance 100% (1.00) which is more than .33 (33%) than Crit Chance mods would be the way to go.
@scuba
If you could make your critical chance 100% through the critical chance mod set bonus, then that means you are already at 90% critical chance. At that point it would be better to get offense boost to all of your attacks, not just another 10% chance to get crits.
Thanks for sharing the info.
Critical Damage Mods > Offense Mods if you have Critical Chance > .4
Offense Mods > Critical Chance Mods no matter what.
So if supplementing the other two mods, since these sets take four of them, with Critical Chance Mods, then perhaps you can be better off with Critical Damage Mods.
Where is the math on offense vs crit chance?
Crit Chance set can stack 3 times (2 piece set) can only do offense set once.
Are you saying 4 pieces of offense are better than 6 pieces of crit chance?
I disagree. Just looking at set bonuses.
Offense mods get you +10% offense means damage dealt is 110% of base
However if you can get you crit chance in the 90% you will essentially be hitting at 150% of base.
Now say you are around 50% crit chance
For simplicity that means every other hit is a crit, I know that is not how rng works
average off 110% and 165% is 137.5% with offense set
average off 100% and 150% is 135% with out offense set
Now let's look with primary stats. Assuming two mk5 offense 11.76% round to 12%
average off 122% and 183% is 152. 5%. with offense set
average off 112% and 168% is 140% with crit chance set
So on average you would be doing 152. 5% of base damage with offense set
So on average you would be doing 140% of base damage without offense set
Not sure where the break even point would be.
Edit : woops my math was off a bit
Offence + crit chance?
If you know you're going to be able to get crit chance over .4, which with .05 from the set bonus and other bonuses you likely can with a lot of characters, crit damage is better.
@scuba , I get your idea but it doesnt work quite like you're saying. Somethings up with how your numbers are computed.
Thats the damage multiplier. You can goof with it to verify.
Remember the crit set bonus is .15, not .05, if you complete it three times. This is why saying offense>crit chance always is highly misleading.
Found my math mistake and corrected it. However that is only for around the 50% range that offense set is better. If you can use crit chance sets to get close to 100% crit chance than that is a better set than offense set.
Basedamage: 1, you add 4 DamageMods, 2 CriticalChance and have a base CriticalChance of 50% and only 150% critical damage , your average damage will result in:
1.1 * (1-0.55) + 1.1*1.5*0.55 = 1.4025
Basedamage: 1, you add 4 CriticalDamageMods, 2 CriticalChance and have a base CriticalChance of 50% and a total of 180% critical damage , your average damage will result in:
1 * (1-0.55) + 1*1.8 *0.55 = 1.44
In this simple case CriticalDamageMods are (on average) better than DamageMods.
Rough hint: CriticalChance without Mods lower than 0.4 then go for DamageMods, otherwise CriticalDamageMods.
It is in most cases. Especially if your team has a crit dam bonus unique ability like HK. I was able to play around with it and 1 shot Rex for almost 30k on a top 3 team. I've heard the breaking point is less than 49% crit chance=do for offense, more than 49%= go for crit damage. That's assuming you aren't relying on a character to crit, then human factor comes into play.
BTW: I wouldn't mess with crit chance on a character that has over 75% crit chance. Other mods can be utilized at that point.
@777 yeah makes sense
I will be completing crit damage mod challenge within the next day or two.
So I've farmed offense mods and crit chance mods. So I can't speak from experience.
Well I may be wrong, but isn't the highest base crit chance raid Han @ ~ 50%? There are no characters over 75% to my knowledge.
Also, I was under the impression that the brake even was 40% crit chance. More than 40% put on crit damage otherwise offense.
My question is for those of us who don't have FO Toons.
What do you do with non-tank characters that are in the 20-30% crit chance range and don't have offense mods available? Do you still put on 4 crit damage and 2 crit chance? Or do you go all in on crit chance?
Or are maybe health/speed better choices? Think of someone like QGJ or IDG modded for arena (as opposed to raid where you are slapping on a potency mod or two).
On a side note characters who benafit from effect on crit should be built as much crit chance as possible imo instead of min maxing dmg. Example my Aayla was 87% crit chance and not dmg due to stun. I built clone sarge the same way cause even though I could make his crits harder I'd prefer the TM gain more often
I ended up giving like 5-10% crit chance from secondary speed stat got my droids set bonus for crit dmg + 30% and added a triangle mod that gives + 26% crit dmg 5* crit dmg mod .! And the other 2 is health atm
So i think i accomplished a well balanced high dmg char
It is a fallacy to assume that one must choose between either crit chance or crit damage. Builds that excel will have both, and lots of other stats too.
Crit chance can be found as secondary stats. Crit damage cannot.
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Critical damage SET and a critical chance set with offense/speed/critical chance SECONDARY are generically the best offensive combination.
Hey @StormTro0p3R_H : I am not sure if I could agree with your results, as I think you are messing up the crit chance of normal attacks with the crit chance of special attacks. And in that case almost NONE of the characters in the game can get easily beyond .4 ! Actually I don't even care about the crit chance of my normal attacks, as my special attacks are the ones which do the most damage. If it´s Biggs´ assist attack, Rey´s flurry, or Lando´s/Wedge´s AOE. They are the one making lots of damage.
Which, in return, means that Offense Set > Crit. Damage set. Otherwise why would Wedge be the preferred leader with his 30% offense up while Lando´s is giving 29% Crit. Damage Up ? Following your logic, there only can be Lando as lead as almost all chars anyway have more then .4 Crit Chance.
DonHaensl
@DonHaensl
There is Physical Critical rating and Special Critical rating. These distinguish between the type of damage your character does, not "normal" and "special" attacks.
For example, Emperor Palpatine does special damage so whether he crits or not depends on the special crit rate. Lando does physical damage so his crits are based on the physical critical rate.
There is not a seperate crit rate for special moves.
Wedge offers 30% offense and the mod set only offers 10% offense. 30% offense IS better than 30% crit damage, but we're not comparing % to %: we're comparing MOD SET BONUSES.
You have six mod slots. You do have to choose which set bonuses to use. Nothing in any of these comparisons takes in to account the stats of your mods, just the set bonuses.