50% additional dmg observed between sum of individual toon and game reported total in raid?
July 27, 2016 10:10PM
edited July 2016
Hi, like to see if anyone else has observed similar gap in character total vs. game reported total in raids. I know DOT (from IG88 lead for example) and bombs (from JE for example) don't count. But if the team has no such characters, I don't expect such a big gap. I suspect the player is cheating so just want to see the community's thoughts and experience. Thanks!
BTW, in the table I shown below. Top 2 rows are the suspected runs. And bottom are other samples with similar characters. i.e. Plasma (L), QGJ, GS, Rey. So if assist and bonus attack isn't counted. I'd expect the outcome to be similar. Just in this guy's case, it is somehow always around 50% more in the total. hence the post here.
@CG_LucifersDaddy
I have table summing damage below. The suspected ones are the two top rows and gap shown in red.
BTW, in the table I shown below. Top 2 rows are the suspected runs. And bottom are other samples with similar characters. i.e. Plasma (L), QGJ, GS, Rey. So if assist and bonus attack isn't counted. I'd expect the outcome to be similar. Just in this guy's case, it is somehow always around 50% more in the total. hence the post here.
@CG_LucifersDaddy
I have table summing damage below. The suspected ones are the two top rows and gap shown in red.
My Youtube Channel | Droids with Jawa Engineer and HK Omega Lead | IG88 DOT Omega Lead | Droids with mod
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Will stay tuned for updates...
May the Force be with you.
But he also has QGJ and GS. They both call assists. And QGJ assists do +75% damage. If assists aren't scored to the individual and Phasma lead, you could end up with a bunch of unaccounted damage.
Same as with JE Thermal Detonator damage.
Subpar coding can't attribute damage to chars who aren't currently on their turn.
Code only accounts for damage coming from a particular character on that character's turn.
I'd be even further disappointed if didn't accurately reflect multiple attacks from the same character, like 5's with Spd Down or Leia on a multi-attack. Maybe it can only record one attack per char turn?
It's CG... Who knows?!
Hm... I'd buy that if the assists are somehow not being assigned to anyone and just going into a "total damage" bucket... pretty sloppy though, when you think about it.
A basic check on the parsing should be that the total sum matches what all the individual characters have applied... this cannot be that difficult... I'm confused why/how a programmer would parse this any other way? Baffling.
May the Force be with you.
Right. But I would expect over a large sample, all other players with assist characters report similar results. Somehow, others with assist toons do add up. Only this guy is always off. Take a look within your Raid and see if you see similar results.
I did a T6 the other day with Teebo (L), EE, QGJ, IG-86 and 5's.
~3.2 million damage
Lots of assists called and my individual damages added up to within 1 point of my reported total.
I have one guy in my guild that went from putting up like 1M per raid to over 4M lol. I am assuming it is mods because the timing was very coincidental (my scored also went up a good deal because I went all in on mods when they first came out) but on first glance it does seem shady.
See, if this is the case, then there might be a bug specifically with Phasma assists and other specific things like JE detonators and such.
Surely I hope they do not do damage parsing on a per-toon set of conditions... if so, there is simply no way to ensure they are consistent across the board unless they have actual QA willing to audit every combination of characters and abilities... and we've seen how astute their QA process is...
The +1 damage variance has been well documented... you can't actually do "zero" damage in their broken-**** code for a finalized battle... even if you show a "0," the system logs you as a "1" to probably avoid some kind of overflow in their database.
e.g. if you do a "0-damage" tap in P1 by hitting just a guard (not captain) and then die, it shows you as a 0-damage battle even though in the totals you show up as a "1".
May the Force be with you.
Damage over time
Probably others
This isn't even a runner up to the number of bugs that need to be corrected.
I actually reworded it a little. instead of looking at the gap of the sum vs. total. The total is simply 50% more than the sum.
The issue here is the same characters used by this player in question consistently generated reported total of 50% more than sum of character total. This while other players experience at most 2% difference with same chance of assists.
Now, I've done some google search and found a hack site... and it says in god mode to boost dmg by 50%. The site had a video showing the hack in action... and coincidentally the raid total in the video shows 50% more than character total!!! I won't show the link but its easy to find... So I think if you see ~50% gap in your guild's raid. There is something to be suspicious of...
In the OPs screenshots the higher damage one shows a team with EE while the lower damage one shows Chewie. EE adds TM to squad members if omega'd. He also heals and can res... All of that would greatly enhance damage numbers.
Also, who knows what mods are in play here?
I'm confused.
I've done additional research and we can cross reference the release of a cheat mod on Jul 13th to when his damage has increased. (chart below). So it is very conclusive.
BTW, on the DOT/assist damage side. Based on all the sample raid damage summary screen I've seen as part of this investigation. I conclude the only damage not shown on character are DOT and delayed bombs (i.e. JE). All assist damage (QGJ or from Phasma lead) are part of the character damage. And the game reported total includes all.
I'm closing this thread if I could as it has served its purpose. Thanks!
After reading your response I just so happened to have a discussion with a shardmate concerning an individual in his guild who did an insane amount of damage in p2 t7 with a very poor roster. He thought maybe he took multiple turns but his roster didn't even support that.
This would explain it if there is a cheat mod out in the wild.
https://m.imgur.com/19PXaDE
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Univek - out of curiosity: How do you see which toons of everyone has done how much damage in the raid? Did everyone of your guild took screenshots of their battle reports and shared them with you?
I.e. you deal 1 million dmg but the meter only moves from 30% in P1 to 100% in P2 e.g.
Correct, we take screenshots and shown in our group chat in LINE. It also serves the purpose of learning what team comp works. As well as proof of your damage for only a single battle in raid. Not mandatory but most do it. And in the case of the cheater, he frequently had excuse of not being able to take screenshot etc...
Even between phases. I.e. Enter p1 and exit p2 and applied when raid is in p3. The game reported total will include all the dmg the player did. (And sum of individual characters add up to it). But only apply up till the phase the player exited. This is how we can have the guild as a whole do more dmg by wasting dmg to delay commit.