Make raids automatically reward everyone the last tier rewards

EscapeArtist51

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

unit900000

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

So much this

Forar

I'd be down with that. It was frustrating when my guild was doing T5 raids (leaning towards 6) so fast that they'd be over with in a few hours, especially if they were started a few hours before the character reset.

ItsJarJarBinkz

Yeah the guild I'm in smashes through a tier 7 raid in 10 minutes but then we keep the last part for late people.

ThewhiteonE

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

So NOT this... So just by being in a guild & doing absolutely nothing, you get a reward? Just for being there... With nothing contributed... No, so much no...

Snake2

ThewhiteonE wrote: »

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

So NOT this... So just by being in a guild & doing absolutely nothing, you get a reward? Just for being there... With nothing contributed... No, so much no...

If they contributed raid coins to start the raid, they deserve a reward even if they didn't log on in time to hit the rancor.

If they don't contribute raid coins then kick them out.

RWTD_Burn

ThewhiteonE wrote: »

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

So NOT this... So just by being in a guild & doing absolutely nothing, you get a reward? Just for being there... With nothing contributed... No, so much no...

Why would anyone be against this idea? Do you hate your guild mates or something? Did they not help earn the guild coins you needed to even do the raid? Your guild officers should be monitoring who is contributing to the guild and who is freeloading and making adjustments as needed. Giving all members of the guild that didn't participate the lowest level rewards in the raid helps the entire guild get stronger and also helps a guild stay more stable. When an alliance can kill off a heroic raid in less than an hour with only 1/3 or less of their members getting a chance to participate, there needs to be a system in place to at least give the others that never even had a chance something if they helped earn the guild coins to make that raid possible.




RWTD_Burn
Bears With Sabers

EscapeArtist51

ThewhiteonE wrote: »

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

So NOT this... So just by being in a guild & doing absolutely nothing, you get a reward? Just for being there... With nothing contributed... No, so much no...

I can see what you're saying. And I appreciate the gif lol, but I mean, all contributing is, is sacrificing a toon to be devoured. They don't have to do much else to get very solid rewards. Something has to be done though, we all just sit 20 hours for everyone to hit the rancor.

How about this.. If a guild member has been in a guild for a specific amount of time, let's say a month. And they contributed 600 coins each day that month. They unlock raid rewards automatically without having to participate. Does that sound better? Cause waiting for everyone to hit the rancor kinda takes excitement out of the raid..

sying

Just out of curiosity, what would you be doing with the extra time given to you? Meaning, let's say you finish the raid off in ten minutes with 1/3 of your team participating. You wait for the rewards. Now, one hour and ten minutes later, what does your guild do? You still have to wait for the coins to accumulate until you can start the next raid. Now that there's a cap on coins accumulated you won't be able to start a raid right away. So, I ask what difference does it make, since you have to wait either way, to change the awards.

I'm not specifically against changing the reward system. However, guild coins are accumulated to open the raid. You still have to do something once the raid is opened. One thing does not effect the other, nor should it. Also, what's to stop a guild of 10-20 really strong players who can smash a raid by themselves from adding 30-40 level 20 players just for the coins? Those level 20 players will progress at a rate faster than the others in their shards who were not fortunate enough to find a guild who didn't necessarily need them at the moment. It would create an imbalance.

Sadly, what is being suggested isn't even a participation trophy. It's a, hey, you logged in and did your dailies so here's your raid loot trophy.

tRRRey

ThewhiteonE wrote: »

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

So NOT this... So just by being in a guild & doing absolutely nothing, you get a reward? Just for being there... With nothing contributed... No, so much no...

If they contributed guild bank coins to that raid it shouldn't matter if they do 3 million damage or 0 damage to the rancor. I'm sure most guilds doing heroic raids would finish just fine without those people contributing damage to the raid.

Mystcjon

this may literally be the greatest idea ever had on how to deal with raid rewards.

people contribute coins they deserve the chance to participate. why not give all members of a guild that did not participate a box equal to the box right below the last finisher. that way they dont get totally rewarded for not attacking, but they dont get cut out either. had they attacked, they would have gotten better rewards.

Its win win.

Varlie

I agree to this. We recently did a raid that finished with only half our members attacking. The others jumped in afterwards and was wondering what had happened to the raid.

Annastrasza

When I wake up in the morning and launch SWGoH, I want the following:
- loot from all challenges, all attempts.
- Arena rewards for 3 attempts
- Raid rewards even though I was playing with my dog during the raid
- A million credits
- 1000 crystals for SWGoH shopping
- About a 1000 cantina tokens
- GW completed ...all 12...yep
- Hmmm through in some purple loot for gear that I am working on. Maybe 1 piece each...I am not greedy.


Please implement this in next update.

Jnbentzel81

Good idea!!

Nahow

Yes please this, it would make managing guild raids so much less annoying. I don't have the energy to be holding everyone's hand and constantly checking up to make sure they're following the dumb rules I had to put in place to try to give the whole guild a chance to attack. It's a total no-brainer to give last-place rewards to anyone who didn't get to attack. Limit it to people who have logged in within 24 hours and/or met some weekly contribution target if you have to.

Given that there's 0 cost or effort required to get last place, I don't see the harm in doing it. Missing out on those rewards is a really harsh punishment for not being able to log in during such a small time window.

Lillegre

It is simple,

When a raid is launched, award all members of the guild at that very moment a 0 damage score.... prevents hangers on joining in the last hour to gain rewards. Rewards all those who actually ground out the guild coin.

Jnbentzel81

What a great idea. Hope they do it!!!!

Milestogogreg

My guild does a t7 in about 30 mins and people who miss it get mad. We do them at a set time each day. So if we hit 60k the night before, everyone knows the raid is happening the following day at the set time. Not everyone can always hit it, but at least they know it's happening. It's impossible to make 50 people happy and on board together. We've tried tons of tactics and stuck with that.

I do agree that if they have to the bank, they should get something though. Any of our actual active players all try to hit the preset raid. We do it at 9am west/ noon east/ 5pm uk

five2zero

I really hope they change the reward system to be more fair

armyhutchings

This would be a good start in my opinion. I still feel the rest of the tiers of reward should be adjusted to a damage floor. So, everyone who participated in acquiring guild coins gets the 4th tier. 300k = 3rd tier. 700k = 2nd tier. 1M = 1st Tier rewards. That way you're not battling against your own guild for rewards and it's all merit-based. (Actual numbers to be balanced in a way that makes sense, of course. I just threw out arbitrary numbers as an example.)

Mystcjon

It was a copy/paste, but im still taking credit lol.

To be fair, we would all like those things. however, this is a change that actually fixes something.

it will most assuredly never be implemented.

Annastrasza

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

Gentlemen - welcome to another freeloading at its finest posts.

Here is another option.
Heroic guilds who clear content in 30 mins and lock people out, should remove those members who are not part of the 30 min team.

And those removed players should go and create a guild where they can raid at their leisure or when they are done cooking food or finished grocery shopping or sleeping or watching tv or taken an hour long restroom session.

Freeloading loot of any tier just for being in a guild is like collecting food stamps for doing nothing.

I expect better from you @EscapeArtist51

Neverts327

armyhutchings wrote: »

I still feel the rest of the tiers of reward should be adjusted to a damage floor. So, everyone who participated in acquiring guild coins gets the 4th tier. 300k = 3rd tier. 700k = 2nd tier. 1M = 1st Tier rewards. That way you're not battling against your own guild for rewards and it's all merit-based. )

I like this idea. I also think making t8 or even t9 raids available with the same requirements but much harder phases would be a good idea. Then they would take longer to complete and therefore giving every a chance to participate and reducing the wait time between raids at the same time. Plus with the same requirements as t7 dosage done should scale so regular finishing places should stay the same

Yudoka

Annastrasza wrote: »

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

Gentlemen - welcome to another freeloading at its finest posts.

Here is another option.
Heroic guilds who clear content in 30 mins and lock people out, should remove those members who are not part of the 30 min team.

And those removed players should go and create a guild where they can raid at their leisure or when they are done cooking food or finished grocery shopping or sleeping or watching tv or taken an hour long restroom session.

Freeloading loot of any tier just for being in a guild is like collecting food stamps for doing nothing.

I expect better from you @EscapeArtist51

Wow, really? Can I join your guys guild because clearly you offer a substantial paycheck with retirement and health benefits to force every member to log in at exactly the same time every time regardless of timezone or actual life obligations.

T7 raid is a joke. Every player contributes to start it but have a great potential to get nothing from their contributions if the few members who happen to be on at the time go all out. Our guild is also doing a "one-touch" rule to give everyone a chance to get in on the raid to get a reward for their daily contribution. OP's suggestions cuts out that micromanagement and simply awards everyone for their daily effort. That way those that are on during the start time can actually go all out and compete for that #1 spot instead of doing rations for the best loot and having everyone hold back for a day.

EscapeArtist51

Annastrasza wrote: »

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

It's pretty lame that everyone is able to destroy heroic rewards as we currently are. My guild and just about all the ones I've been in lately have a waiting policy, to allow people to hit the rancor. To the devs, why don't you just automatically reward people the lowest tier rewards, just for being in the guild, even if they don't participate. That makes everything smoother and takes away the waiting time that almost every single top tier guild has, just so people can get a turn.

Gentlemen - welcome to another freeloading at its finest posts.

Here is another option.
Heroic guilds who clear content in 30 mins and lock people out, should remove those members who are not part of the 30 min team.

And those removed players should go and create a guild where they can raid at their leisure or when they are done cooking food or finished grocery shopping or sleeping or watching tv or taken an hour long restroom session.

Freeloading loot of any tier just for being in a guild is like collecting food stamps for doing nothing.

I expect better from you @EscapeArtist51

Dude.. If they contributed 600, they didn't free load. Currently that's all you need to join a heroic guild.. It's extremely hard to get 50 people in one guild to finish a raid in 30 mins. Let alone 12 hours!! Everyone has to wait for their guildies to hit the rancor once, it's super lame and takes the fun out of raiding for a lot of people. What's the difference between fighting the rancor with a 7 star level 1 toon, and not fighting the rancor at all?!!? It's still 0 no matter how you slice it!
Also, why do you expect better from me? This is a halfway decent idea! And I thought you were my e-girlfriend how you gon diss me like that. , women man, they change on you so fast lol.

EscapeArtist51

What's with everybody always thinking people wanna free load?! This ain't about me wanting to free load, I have all the toons I wanted maxed already, I'm just trying to make the game a better place. The raid reward system promotes a lot of competition among guild members, and can lead to a lot of drama due to people missing out on rewards or missing out on a stage. Surely this change wouldn't hurt anything

Yudoka

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

What's with everybody always thinking people wanna free load?! This ain't about me wanting to free load, I have all the toons I wanted maxed already, I'm just trying to make the game a better place. The raid reward system promotes a lot of competition among guild members, and can lead to a lot of drama due to people missing out on rewards or missing out on a stage. Surely this change wouldn't hurt anything

You're just a dirty socialist is all. This is capitalist America where only the top half player gets all the loot! If you want loot you have to work harder. Just get a small loan of one billion credits to get started on your empire.

EscapeArtist51

Yudoka wrote: »

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

What's with everybody always thinking people wanna free load?! This ain't about me wanting to free load, I have all the toons I wanted maxed already, I'm just trying to make the game a better place. The raid reward system promotes a lot of competition among guild members, and can lead to a lot of drama due to people missing out on rewards or missing out on a stage. Surely this change wouldn't hurt anything

You're just a dirty socialist is all. This is capitalist America where only the top half player gets all the loot! If you want loot you have to work harder. Just get a small loan of one billion credits to get started on your empire.

I'm a clean socialist thank you very much. I don't even care about raid gear rewards nowadays.. I'm mostly happy to see the credits because I am a peasant. For some strange reason I have gotten salvage for the MK4 chedak comlink piece 7 raids, yes 7 in a row. I now have around 100 of it, and it kills me a little deep inside whenever I see that item. (Only around two or three toons even need it )

Yudoka

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

Yudoka wrote: »

EscapeArtist51 wrote: »

What's with everybody always thinking people wanna free load?! This ain't about me wanting to free load, I have all the toons I wanted maxed already, I'm just trying to make the game a better place. The raid reward system promotes a lot of competition among guild members, and can lead to a lot of drama due to people missing out on rewards or missing out on a stage. Surely this change wouldn't hurt anything

You're just a dirty socialist is all. This is capitalist America where only the top half player gets all the loot! If you want loot you have to work harder. Just get a small loan of one billion credits to get started on your empire.

I'm a clean socialist thank you very much. I don't even care about raid gear rewards nowadays.. I'm mostly happy to see the credits because I am a peasant. For some strange reason I have gotten salvage for the MK4 chedak comlink piece 7 raids, yes 7 in a row. I now have around 100 of it, and it kills me a little deep inside whenever I see that item. (Only around two or three toons even need it )

Yeah, every time I get Challenge gear it just makes me sad.

Doga

Why? The reason why is the game is not going to give something players haven't earned.

Kagehonoo

@EscapeArtist51
+1 i believe this is a good idea.

Congrats on thinking about it.




May the force be with you.