ST Han Shocked Still Giving TM
So I am in arena today and I shock Han with Emp Palp so he can't do his taunt, but he taunts anyway (which is hilarious). So after attempting to taunt he still remains shocked and does not get the taunt symbol above his head. But I noticed he was still granting turn meter to old Ben when I would hit ST Han. Anyone else notice this?
At this point in the battle they only had ST Han and old Ben left.
At this point in the battle they only had ST Han and old Ben left.
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Yeah its still a little buggy because if you remove his taunt with a debuff he doesn't give TM, so why does he still give TM of he's not allowed to initiate taunt due to buff blocking? Shouldn't the buff block not allow the TM granting effect?
From what I've seen, if you dispell it he stops granting TM. But if you pre debuff him he will still grant TM
It's working as intended
no but if the taunt is dispelled, the ability to give tm is also dispelled with it. so if hes shocked blocking the taunt, the tm up should also be blocked if it is working correctly.
Why? The ability is not a "buff", so there is nothing to block. It's like a passive for 3 turns. And anyone that is shocked will not gain TM that way, so not sure why we would actually expect STH to stop granting it.
The TM gain is tied directly to the taunt. Dispelling or simply having it expire therefore ends the TM gain. Granted the description does not state that exactly but I don't think anyone would reasonably expect the TM gain to be indefinite. Like many other abilities, Draw Fire could use more precise language, such as "Han Taunts for 3 turns, and all other allies gain 30% Turn Meter. In addition, all other allies gain 20% Turn Meter when Han is damaged while taunting." The current discussion I think may bring my suggestion into question, but at least it isn't ambiguous.
The alternative might just state "In addition, for three turns, all other allies gain 20% Turn Meter when Han is damaged."
i understand what shock does and that the tm part is not a buff, but if thats the case, outside of using shock the ability shouldn't stop giving tm just because the taunt can be dispelled. so if it is working as intended when the shock is applied, then it is not working when the taunt is dispelled.
While I agree that it is read that the TM gain is tied to the taunt, it does not actually say that. It simply says that he grants TM. If they add to the description as you suggest, then I would agree that this is an issue. As it stands, it behaves exactly as described, and until stated otherwise, we must assume WAI.
This
Saying it is not a "buff" when it can be debuffed isn't necessarily true. But I guess I can buy that, it make sense.
That is awesome sauce
QGJ can dispel positive status effects.
If 'buff' is a sub—class of 'positive status effect', taunt is a buff and the TM granted by ST Han is a positive status effect, but not a buff, then it all works fine.
Edit: The only thing that might be a problem is that the text for ST Han's taunt ability doesn't state for how long he grants TM. Has any one tested, wether the TM gain continues indefinately? The text doesn't say, that it ever expires.
If the team can still gain tm after sthan is shocked, then they should also gain turn meter after a dispel (for 3 turns, already in the wording), but If his ability is already working as intended, and the tm gain stops after a dispel, then the tm gain should also never happen if he cant taunt in the first place. The ability says "in addition" to the taunt. If the taunt is prevented in the first place, there can be no "in addition" to.
Maybe @CG_Kozispoon could provide am answer.
Originally I thought ST Han could only grant TM while taunting. So I would shock him with Emp Palp before he would taunt. But I noticed he was still granting TM even though the shock blocked his taunt. But after reading the comments, wondering if it's WAI or a bug.
If the tm gain is seperate from the taunt, then the ability is not working right, because when the taunt is dispelled, the tm gain is gone with it. This is my whole point. One or the other is wrong. Either (1) the tm gain should stay after the taunt is dispelled or (2) when he is shocked and uses the taunt, then the tm gain shouldnt be there.
Just because the dispelling dispelling taunt stops him from giving TM doesn't mean it's right, that's just what we're used to and that could in fact be the one that's bugged.
This was noticed long ago with B2 but I guess most people didn't notice until EP was made widely available.
I think it's WAI for once
If you're considering it a buff then it can't be wai since shock gives buff immunity