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Barry
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I run droids with a faster je than a guy on my server but his goes first how can this happen? We both run droids with je & nebit all my toons r faster than his but he goes first the only difference is that his je is 7* & mine is 6* is this the reason? If so y

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    I've noticed a ton of inconsistencys between speed. Like my magnaguard went before my 88 who has more speed when je did his thing.
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    Do you run a non droid/Jawa on your team?
  • Kyno
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    How much faster? There is no real explanation of how speed works and is calculated. When 2 toons hit the full TM bar at the same time it's RNG who goes first.... and we all know who the RNG favors in most cases.

    This may not explain what is happening to you but I did have a similar situation and I would go first sometimes when I know his JE was faster. It was only by 3-5 until I passed him.
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    I read a while back about how speed works in this game and it is very confusing. Essentially s lot of turns happen before any too Actually moves. Like say 10 turns. After ten turns if you and your opponent both have a toon that crosses the threshold of having a move it is a toss up and RNG decides. I read like 5 full pages on it and sorry I can't explain it better but if you only have like 5 or 6 speed difference on really fast toons then chances are they reach the magic move threshold together and its a toss up. Same thing happens to me all the time with my faster pslpatine.
  • Jabba
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    If your jes are within a few speed of each other it's possible both reaching the tm bar at same time where a rng roll says who goes first sounds like this is what's happening . Your just losing the rng roll unlucky.
  • scuba
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    Is your JE unique that gives speed bonus maxed?
  • Big_Boss
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    This is not the first time I here these complaints and I think that Jesse or John or whoever can should adress it soon. Whats the point in modding up if even if your faster RNG will say no I want it to be his turn! You Mod and upgrade for a reason and this is a little bumer for those who spend alot on thos speed mods
  • LastJedi
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    Faster JE will always go first, even if by one point. Yes, do check your JE's unique. He will get +10 speed for each living droid or jawa ally (including himself) when it is maxed.
  • LastJedi
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    I've noticed a ton of inconsistencys between speed. Like my magnaguard went before my 88 who has more speed when je did his thing.
    If Je Recalibrate fills both of their TM, it is total RNG which toon acts first.

    I have seen weird stuff happen in the first round of GW. But not in arena.
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    I just had a similar yet different speed issue with my rebels team. Leia goes first at 204 speed, 2nd shot of the fight is lando at 159 speed. Mean while STH is 180 speed, luke 173 speed and ackbar 160 speed. Why did lando go second?

    These where the first 2 actions of a fight, I didn't target STH or have any other sort of tm manipulation going on. Leia target QGJ and triple tapped, then it was landos turn.
  • Nebulous
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    Speed is not broken. It is clearly player error. My JE speed is 1 higher than the next fastest JE on my shard. I always go first. You're missing something and with such little information, i.e., no actual numbers or skill levels, I am unable to help you.
  • Nebulous
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    Jabba wrote: »
    If your jes are within a few speed of each other it's possible both reaching the tm bar at same time where a rng roll says who goes first sounds like this is what's happening . Your just losing the rng roll unlucky.

    This is wrong. The fastest JE will go first. The only waya tie comes into place is when artificial TM gain occurs ie phasma's victory march, je's recalibrate or both je's have the exact same speed. Otherwise, the greatest speed toon will always move first.
  • Jabba
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    What I meant is after recalibrate the faster jes droids won't always go first . I've seen enemy je recalibrate then mine straight after and my droids win the rng roll go before his .
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    Faster toon always goes first. Period.

    Are you calculating speed correctly? What were the teams?
    It's a hard life pickin stones and pullin teats, but sure as gods got sandals, it beats fighting dudes with treasure trails....
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    Jabba wrote: »
    What I meant is after recalibrate the faster jes droids won't always go first . I've seen enemy je recalibrate then mine straight after and my droids win the rng roll go before his .

    What you saw is a situation where the enemy JE is not filling his droids turn meter completely. This means there is a gap between his JE and droids that your JE can slide into. Then, when your JE goes, he is filling your droids turn meter, allowing them to go before enemy droids.

    I regularly exploit this against some teams on my leaderboard. If you try to control your droids turn order, you will have gaps.
    It's a hard life pickin stones and pullin teats, but sure as gods got sandals, it beats fighting dudes with treasure trails....
  • Nebulous
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    Jabba wrote: »
    What I meant is after recalibrate the faster jes droids won't always go first . I've seen enemy je recalibrate then mine straight after and my droids win the rng roll go before his .

    This is possible. It depends on your opponent's je's speed. The speed of your opponent's droids. The speed of your JE and the speed of your droids.

    As you describe, to me, it appears your opponent's droids aren't quite hitting 100% TM fill. It may appear so because the TM gauge isn't very detailed. So, for example, you and your opponent's JE are close in speed, but your opponent is slightly faster. He uses recalibrate. None of his droids hit 100% TM so the gauges begin to fill again. Your JE wins the full race. You get to recalibrate. Now your droids do hit 100% and win the turn.
  • Nebulous
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    CptCaveman wrote: »
    Jabba wrote: »
    What I meant is after recalibrate the faster jes droids won't always go first . I've seen enemy je recalibrate then mine straight after and my droids win the rng roll go before his .

    What you saw is a situation where the enemy JE is not filling his droids turn meter completely. This means there is a gap between his JE and droids that your JE can slide into. Then, when your JE goes, he is filling your droids turn meter, allowing them to go before enemy droids.

    I regularly exploit this against some teams on my leaderboard. If you try to control your droids turn order, you will have gaps.

    Yup. It's what he said.
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    I read a while back about how speed works in this game and it is very confusing. Essentially s lot of turns happen before any too Actually moves. Like say 10 turns. After ten turns if you and your opponent both have a toon that crosses the threshold of having a move it is a toss up and RNG decides. I read like 5 full pages on it and sorry I can't explain it better but if you only have like 5 or 6 speed difference on really fast toons then chances are they reach the magic move threshold together and its a toss up. Same thing happens to me all the time with my faster pslpatine.

    This is incorrect. Speed used to work this way, but not since the Poe nerf/speed change update back in February. If you are using the old TI speed guide, it is no longer correct. On first action, the toon with highest speed will always go first. Period.

    Check this link if you want to know how speed works:

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/58474/a-cavemans-guide-to-speed-mechanics#latest
    It's a hard life pickin stones and pullin teats, but sure as gods got sandals, it beats fighting dudes with treasure trails....
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    Big_Boss wrote: »
    This is not the first time I here these complaints and I think that Jesse or John or whoever can should adress it soon. Whats the point in modding up if even if your faster RNG will say no I want it to be his turn! You Mod and upgrade for a reason and this is a little bumer for those who spend alot on thos speed mods

    The only thing that needs to be addressed is people's lack of understanding of how speed works.
    It's a hard life pickin stones and pullin teats, but sure as gods got sandals, it beats fighting dudes with treasure trails....
  • Ugluk
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    CptCaveman wrote: »
    The only thing that needs to be addressed is people's lack of understanding of how speed works.
    In fairness, it's not like they make it easy to understand. The community is reliant on knowledgeable people working it out for them.
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    Ugluk wrote: »
    CptCaveman wrote: »
    The only thing that needs to be addressed is people's lack of understanding of how speed works.
    In fairness, it's not like they make it easy to understand. The community is reliant on knowledgeable people working it out for them.

    Very true. That's why I try to educate people when I see these type of threads. Unfortunately, most of the time the original poster doesn't give enough info, or can't provide any type of proof of what they claim is happening is really happening.
    It's a hard life pickin stones and pullin teats, but sure as gods got sandals, it beats fighting dudes with treasure trails....
  • Barry
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    Ok so we both run hk 88 86 je nebit as I said all my droids r faster than his and my je is faster by 2
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    Can you post a pic of your JE speed, his JE speed, and a pic of first turn?
    It's a hard life pickin stones and pullin teats, but sure as gods got sandals, it beats fighting dudes with treasure trails....
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    What CptCaveman said. If you can post picks of your teams and unique abilities and the first turn and it shows what you say it does then it needs to be reported in bugs section.

    Two droid teams have just appeared in my shard and they both have faster JEs than me so I avoid them like the plague as they always go first and destroy my team before I move.
  • CronozNL
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    edited August 2016
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    Barry wrote: »
    Ok so we both run hk 88 86 je nebit as I said all my droids r faster than his and my je is faster by 2

    Didn't read correctly. Anyway strange, I'm sure you made some minor mistake or your opponent just switched his mods around just before you battled him.
    439-259-888 I have a bad habit of editing my typo's after posting
  • Barry
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    edited August 2016
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    Lol taxman I'm one of the ones on your server :) btw I can't post screenshot as I play on my phone
  • Taxman
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    edited August 2016
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    Haha. I was cursing you yesterday when you and the other droid team had arena slots 1 and 2 taken up and I knew I couldn't beat you! Settled for 3 in the end

    PS if you have an iPhone you can take a screenshot by clicking the home button and lock button at the same time. No idea how you would do it on an android but would be surprised if you couldn't take a screenshot
  • Barry
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    If u want 2nd today I'll take 3rd :)
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    Haha no worries. You take the place if you can while I go speed mod hunting!
  • Barry
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    I just bumped my je too 220 so hopefully that solves the problem
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