Have we ever gotten an explanation on how the defense/armor statistic is calculated?

scottdude8

I've noticed with mods that getting a secondary with Defense +7 usually increases my armor rating more than a Defense +1.5% secondary, for example. This is somewhat confusing to me... in particular, there isn't the direct relationship between Defense and Armor like there is between Offense and Damage (+30 offense on a secondary leads to +30 physical and special damage, nice and clear).

Have we gotten any clarification on how this works? I'm never sure whether a defense secondary is good or not, unlike how I'm confident what various offensive secondary stats mean.

scottdude8

No one has any info on this topic?

Gank_Killer

No there isn't to my knowledge. I've asked multiple times months ago, I got only silence back then too.

Skirata

Pre mods, Defense was a stat, not a percentage, that added to Armor, which directly subtracted from Damage. Post mods, it's shown as Armor%, so what the Defense stat does now is indirectly affect the Armor%.

The reason it's usually better than Defense % is Defense % is not added to your base Armor %, but multiplied, and 2% of 20% Armor is only a 0.4% improvement.

J0K3R

I have dabbled in the defense / armor stat.

There is a direct relationship between defense and armor. If u give me a % armor and then a stat like +7def, i can tell u the new %.

From what i can tell, the % displayed armor is not the main variable they use, but is converted into % for easy reference

Armor penetration is even more complicated, and as far as i can tell cannot and will never be displayed as a % unless they rework the formulas

Offense and damage is not straightforward either. I didnt look into it much, but as far as i can tell knowing these values does not tell u how much actual damage the character will do

scuba

J0K3R wrote: »

I have dabbled in the defense / armor stat.

There is a direct relationship between defense and armor. If u give me a % armor and then a stat like +7def, i can tell u the new %.

From what i can tell, the % displayed armor is not the main variable they use, but is converted into % for easy reference

Armor penetration is even more complicated, and as far as i can tell cannot and will never be displayed as a % unless they rework the formulas

Offense and damage is not straightforward either. I didnt look into it much, but as far as i can tell knowing these values does not tell u how much actual damage the character will do

Can you share this relationship? I have played around with it also and each character seems to be affected differently buy both a % increase and a flat increase.

scuba

@J0K3R
33.04% armor and 22.08% resistance adding +7 defense

J0K3R

scuba wrote: »

@J0K3R
33.04% armor and 22.08% resistance adding +7 defense

Ok... 33.56%

Its been a while, hope i still got it

J0K3R

scuba wrote: »

J0K3R wrote: »

I have dabbled in the defense / armor stat.

There is a direct relationship between defense and armor. If u give me a % armor and then a stat like +7def, i can tell u the new %.

From what i can tell, the % displayed armor is not the main variable they use, but is converted into % for easy reference

Armor penetration is even more complicated, and as far as i can tell cannot and will never be displayed as a % unless they rework the formulas

Offense and damage is not straightforward either. I didnt look into it much, but as far as i can tell knowing these values does not tell u how much actual damage the character will do

Can you share this relationship? I have played around with it also and each character seems to be affected differently buy both a % increase and a flat increase.

You gotta convert the %. So in scuba's example, 33.04% = 296.06 armor. Add 7, 303.06 and then convert it back to %...

Let me look at formula i used.. Oh, this only works for level 80 characters

J0K3R

Maybe a mathematician can clean it up, but

ArmorValue =(600*ArmorPercent)/(100-ArmorPercent)

J0K3R

ArmorPercent =(ArmorValue/(ArmorValue/100+6))

scuba

J0K3R wrote: »

scuba wrote: »

@J0K3R
33.04% armor and 22.08% resistance adding +7 defense

Ok... 33.56%

Its been a while, hope i still got it

****.... In game it was 33.55%,0.01 could be rounding errors. Looks like some one figured it out

J0K3R

scuba wrote: »

J0K3R wrote: »

scuba wrote: »

@J0K3R
33.04% armor and 22.08% resistance adding +7 defense

Ok... 33.56%

Its been a while, hope i still got it

****.... In game it was 33.55%,0.01 could be rounding errors. Looks like some one figured it out

I'm pretty confident with ArmorPercent + %stat boost = NewArmorPercent

scuba

J0K3R wrote: »

scuba wrote: »

J0K3R wrote: »

scuba wrote: »

@J0K3R
33.04% armor and 22.08% resistance adding +7 defense

Ok... 33.56%

Its been a while, hope i still got it

****.... In game it was 33.55%,0.01 could be rounding errors. Looks like some one figured it out

I'm pretty confident with ArmorPercent + %stat boost = NewArmorPercent

I appreciate the info. Time to play with Excel on it tomorrow.

J0K3R

What i wanna figure out is the offensive side of the equation.. But its hard to find a big chunk of time

scuba

J0K3R wrote: »

What i wanna figure out is the offensive side of the equation.. But its hard to find a big chunk of time

Offense is physical/special damage stat * modifer for ability. I think there is a +/- 5% variance. Can see modifiers on swgoh.gg

@Josh_K did an excellent write up here

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/comment/667425/#Comment_667425

J0K3R

scuba wrote: »

J0K3R wrote: »

What i wanna figure out is the offensive side of the equation.. But its hard to find a big chunk of time

Offense is physical/special damage stat * modifer for ability. I think there is a +/- 5% variance. Can see modifiers on swgoh.gg

@Josh_K did an excellent write up here

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/comment/667425/#Comment_667425

I looked for that magic modifier on the website. Is there a list? The best i ever found the resulting end damage per character

Josh_K

Choose any character from the site and click on any damage ability. Against each upgrade tier the modifier is on the right hand side.

J0K3R

Thank you. I want to see if indeed its an arbitrary number, or if its hidden in a formula from the stats

One thing i will say, all the formulas are genious inventions... The devs did a fantastic job to ensure long term stability

scottdude8

Wow, thanks @J0K3R and others for the discussion! Glad to see someone figured it out.

I did want to clarify one thing though with regards to % changes versus +# changes. For something like critical chance or any other stat that is given as a percentage, getting a 5% boost is just added. But you're saying that for Armor/Defense, if I get a 1% Defense boost, that's actually a 1% boost in the underlying defense statistic, and not the armor value itself, which is why getting a solid number addition is usually better than a percentage change. Do I have that right?

Oh, and BTW, I am actually a mathematician (although I don't have the free time to apply my super powers to this game, lol), so I'm happy to provide advice for anyone who is working through some equations for this game! Lol.

scuba

@J0K3R I played around with these formulas and they seem to work for the integer adds but not the % adds.
Example 33.04% Armor + 8% defense
33.04% armor is 296.06 hidden value
296.06*1.08=319.75
Converting back should be 34.76% Armor
In game it comes out to 34.64% Armor
Have you figured out for these % adds?

J0K3R

scottdude8 wrote: »

Wow, thanks @J0K3R and others for the discussion! Glad to see someone figured it out.

I did want to clarify one thing though with regards to % changes versus +# changes. For something like critical chance or any other stat that is given as a percentage, getting a 5% boost is just added. But you're saying that for Armor/Defense, if I get a 1% Defense boost, that's actually a 1% boost in the underlying defense statistic, and not the armor value itself, which is why getting a solid number addition is usually better than a percentage change. Do I have that right?

Oh, and BTW, I am actually a mathematician (although I don't have the free time to apply my super powers to this game, lol), so I'm happy to provide advice for anyone who is working through some equations for this game! Lol.

I would say that's correct (about %s). But will have to verify.. Im not a mathematician, but i love numbers. So feel free to clean up any formulas u see

J0K3R

scuba wrote: »

@J0K3R I played around with these formulas and they seem to work for the integer adds but not the % adds.
Example 33.04% Armor + 8% defense
33.04% armor is 296.06 hidden value
296.06*1.08=319.75
Converting back should be 34.76% Armor
In game it comes out to 34.64% Armor
Have you figured out for these % adds?

I thought i had it figured out. Let me look into that formula... Its been over a month, memory fades quickly

Edit: i got 34.76 as well.. Hmm .. U dealing with a 7* level 80 character?

J0K3R

I remember why... U gotta seperate what is mod armorStat and the BaseArmorStat

J0K3R

The 8% will be on the baseArmorStat

J0K3R

So to do the math i need to know how much of the 33.04% is from mods

J0K3R

Based on my math its 1.6745% from mods

J0K3R

NewArmor = ArmorTotal+(BaseArmor*(ModDef%/100))

J0K3R

And then u can use the previous formula to change newArmor to %

scuba

J0K3R wrote: »

So to do the math i need to know how much of the 33.04% is from mods

33.04 is base armor

J0K3R

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