How to balance the speed factor

Maljr1980

Come up with a system of cards you can play before the battle to put a debuff on characters on the opposing team. For example before a battle you play a -30 speed card or a -10% offense on a specific character on the other team. These would be a one time use, play as many as you want at a time. You can use 400 GW, cantina, arena, guild, or fleet tokens on a 3 pack of cards.

Tachycardia

It's this something specifically for arena use or any game mode?

What about raid? Would they work on bosses?

Maljr1980

I was thinking for arena, maybe GW since it uses arena teams as well

DatBoi

Cast a spell card

Vertigo

DatBoi wrote: »

Cast a spell card

Its a Trap! (card)

Maljr1980

Vertigo wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

Cast a spell card

Its a Trap! (card)

Why not? I've watched every Star Wars movie several times, and I've never seen anyone "heal". So why not have spell cards

Vertigo

Maljr1980 wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

Cast a spell card

Its a Trap! (card)

Why not? I've watched every Star Wars movie several times, and I've never seen anyone "heal". So why not have spell cards

Mainly cuz spell cards would just add to the ever complicating mess that we already have. The problem isn't really speed and speed mods, it's that the game is so dependent on the first move of the game so whoever moves first gets to decide too much in the battle.

Maljr1980

I think it's definitely **** if you have a higher speed you go first every time. You should just have a better chance to go first, then the turn meter goes into effect. First round turn order I think should be based more like a d20 initiative system. But everyone complains about how speed secondaries ruined the game, so I'm just trying to come up with a way to add some balance

DatBoi

Maljr1980 wrote: »

I think it's definitely **** if you have a higher speed you go first every time. You should just have a better chance to go first, then the turn meter goes into effect. First round turn order I think should be based more like a d20 initiative system. But everyone complains about how speed secondaries ruined the game, so I'm just trying to come up with a way to add some balance

So basically, speed wouldn't mean anything? How would adding more RNG make the game more balanced? There's already more than enough threads complaining about RNG. At least speed is something you can control. If someone goes before you, that means they put the energy and time into farming mods and they should be rewarded for that.

Maljr1980

DatBoi wrote: »

Maljr1980 wrote: »

I think it's definitely **** if you have a higher speed you go first every time. You should just have a better chance to go first, then the turn meter goes into effect. First round turn order I think should be based more like a d20 initiative system. But everyone complains about how speed secondaries ruined the game, so I'm just trying to come up with a way to add some balance

So basically, speed wouldn't mean anything? How would adding more RNG make the game more balanced? There's already more than enough threads complaining about RNG. At least speed is something you can control. If someone goes before you, that means they put the energy and time into farming mods and they should be rewarded for that.

Speed would still affect turn meter build up. I'm just throwing out ideas, look at how many threads there are complaining about how mods are broken and how the only thing that matters about mods is the speed secondaries and how every other secondary abilities on mods is pretty much **** and has no overall affect.

Vertigo

Maljr1980 wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

Maljr1980 wrote: »

I think it's definitely **** if you have a higher speed you go first every time. You should just have a better chance to go first, then the turn meter goes into effect. First round turn order I think should be based more like a d20 initiative system. But everyone complains about how speed secondaries ruined the game, so I'm just trying to come up with a way to add some balance

So basically, speed wouldn't mean anything? How would adding more RNG make the game more balanced? There's already more than enough threads complaining about RNG. At least speed is something you can control. If someone goes before you, that means they put the energy and time into farming mods and they should be rewarded for that.

Speed would still affect turn meter build up. I'm just throwing out ideas, look at how many threads there are complaining about how mods are broken and how the only thing that matters about mods is the speed secondaries and how every other secondary abilities on mods is pretty much **** and has no overall affect.

We don't need more randomness to determine things, at least we can control the speed that we put on to a character, we just can't control the speed we get in mod farming. I'm all for letting speed mods allow us to manipulate turn order, but the fact that so much is determined in the game from who shoots first is what makes the problem.

Tachycardia

Vertigo wrote: »

Maljr1980 wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

Maljr1980 wrote: »

I think it's definitely **** if you have a higher speed you go first every time. You should just have a better chance to go first, then the turn meter goes into effect. First round turn order I think should be based more like a d20 initiative system. But everyone complains about how speed secondaries ruined the game, so I'm just trying to come up with a way to add some balance

So basically, speed wouldn't mean anything? How would adding more RNG make the game more balanced? There's already more than enough threads complaining about RNG. At least speed is something you can control. If someone goes before you, that means they put the energy and time into farming mods and they should be rewarded for that.

Speed would still affect turn meter build up. I'm just throwing out ideas, look at how many threads there are complaining about how mods are broken and how the only thing that matters about mods is the speed secondaries and how every other secondary abilities on mods is pretty much **** and has no overall affect.

We don't need more randomness to determine things, at least we can control the speed that we put on to a character, we just can't control the speed we get in mod farming. I'm all for letting speed mods allow us to manipulate turn order, but the fact that so much is determined in the game from who shoots first is what makes the problem.

How can you change the effect of who goes first though? That is his whole point.

Waqui

How about a system of cards you can play before the battle to put a buff on characters on your team. For example before a battle you play a +30 speed card or a +10% offense. We could then call the cards mods, just for kicks.

leef

please no

CronozNL

Nooo don't make this into Magic the Gathering

Kyno

Maljr1980 wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

Maljr1980 wrote: »

I think it's definitely **** if you have a higher speed you go first every time. You should just have a better chance to go first, then the turn meter goes into effect. First round turn order I think should be based more like a d20 initiative system. But everyone complains about how speed secondaries ruined the game, so I'm just trying to come up with a way to add some balance

So basically, speed wouldn't mean anything? How would adding more RNG make the game more balanced? There's already more than enough threads complaining about RNG. At least speed is something you can control. If someone goes before you, that means they put the energy and time into farming mods and they should be rewarded for that.

Speed would still affect turn meter build up. I'm just throwing out ideas, look at how many threads there are complaining about how mods are broken and how the only thing that matters about mods is the speed secondaries and how every other secondary abilities on mods is pretty much **** and has no overall affect.

Adding more rng to a match is not a fix.

Adding a mechanism that allows you to effect the other players build is not a fix....sorry.

SubzeeeDon

They need to make more stats relevant. 2000 secondary protection stats is nothing compared to a 1 speed secondary stat that makes your toon go first as almost everyone deals huge damage. Prot, def, tenacity especially and all other secondaries need to be boosted greatly as atm there is hardly any point in mod sets when you can through random set with good speed secondaries. Make the other stats more relevant

Vertigo

Tachycardia wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Maljr1980 wrote: »

DatBoi wrote: »

Maljr1980 wrote: »

I think it's definitely **** if you have a higher speed you go first every time. You should just have a better chance to go first, then the turn meter goes into effect. First round turn order I think should be based more like a d20 initiative system. But everyone complains about how speed secondaries ruined the game, so I'm just trying to come up with a way to add some balance

So basically, speed wouldn't mean anything? How would adding more RNG make the game more balanced? There's already more than enough threads complaining about RNG. At least speed is something you can control. If someone goes before you, that means they put the energy and time into farming mods and they should be rewarded for that.

Speed would still affect turn meter build up. I'm just throwing out ideas, look at how many threads there are complaining about how mods are broken and how the only thing that matters about mods is the speed secondaries and how every other secondary abilities on mods is pretty much **** and has no overall affect.

We don't need more randomness to determine things, at least we can control the speed that we put on to a character, we just can't control the speed we get in mod farming. I'm all for letting speed mods allow us to manipulate turn order, but the fact that so much is determined in the game from who shoots first is what makes the problem.

How can you change the effect of who goes first though? That is his whole point.

No his whole point was making it random so we wouldn't be able to determine who went first, the game would need a large change to make the entire "going first being a win" idea change.

papyaz

the problem is speed is too much important with two effects Playing first and effect on turn meter. If we had two skills like speed (with effect on turn meter) and initiative (just to determinate a first sequence for each char), it will be différent.