Thnx for nerfing Lord Vader

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Devian
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edited January 2022
It was really hard to trash LoVer with Kylo-daka-zombie and even IT, but now it's a lot easier
So thank you for nerfing him. Didn't check if SLKR + full FO can wipe the holotable with hum, but seems like it's now possible.
Pity that I unlocked him though, but it's also nice to have another looser wheel-chaired character like that zombie palpatine to laugh of.
The only negative effect to it is that it's really hard to counter GK now with non-mirror teams, so I hope for some boba-like character against GK for GA
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    What are you even talking about?
  • Devian
    672 posts Member
    edited January 2022
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    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CATnow =D
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    thedrjojo wrote: »
    What are you even talking about?
    I'm talking about LoVer team taking a lot more incoming dmg due to "fixing" critical hit immunity. Read last patch.
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    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?
  • Drim
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    Amazing update to LV thanks!!!! Crazy bad
  • Sewpot
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    I’m still winning 🤷🏻‍♂️
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    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    The point, for the players, is that its another GL. If you have 6 GLs, and your GAC opponent only 5 GLs, then you have a very serious advantage, and thus much better chances of winning the match.
    In the old times, with Squad arena being everything, this wouldn't be important, but now GAC is the most important aspect of the game, and having LV is much better than not having him.

    From CG's perspective, its simply money, of course. More toons/gears/relic packs/crystals to be sold.
    Yeah, yeah, having r7 Kit Fisto is also better than none. So what's his point? Beating Kylo on offense instead of JML?
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    Honestly, I know that this is getting kinda spammy, but it really can't be said enough just how bad Lord Vader really is. He loses vs EVERY OTHER GL when on defense. This is something unique to him. Every other GL has at least one matchup they counter hard enough to hold even defensive wins, like SLKR counters SEE or SEE counters JML. Even Rey can potentially defeat an SEE lineup unless its a cheesy wat + armorer type. LV is the only Galactic Legend that can't hold anything on defense.
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    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    No one is going to take you seriously if you continue to call him that.
    https://swgoh.gg/p/319514721/
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    ImaSmakya wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    No one is going to take you seriously if you continue to call him that.
    You think saying 'Mighty GL Lord Vader' will change his effectiveness? =D Without Maul he's worse then zombie Palpatine, so whatever
  • Devian
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    edited January 2022
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    A kit fisto will not beat your GAC opponents best non-GL team.
    Lord Vader will.
    Really? So we are farming crap GLs for best non-GL teams? ugh... :o
    OH! I get it, yeah, you are right, We can use him for Grievous team! Ok, yes, it makes sense. No need for BB and NS
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    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    Just because he’s the most expensive doesn’t define that he needs to be the best. The easier it is now to take a character to G12 because of the economy changes to gear will result in higher relic levels required for events such as future GL’s. Say goodbye to R3’s and more likely R5’s next and hello to more R7’s & R8’s in the future, potentially even R9’s aswell. The expenses of these characters shouldn’t define what GL is best.
  • Devian
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    edited January 2022
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    Josh712 wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    Just because he’s the most expensive doesn’t define that he needs to be the best. The easier it is now to take a character to G12 because of the economy changes to gear will result in higher relic levels required for events such as future GL’s. Say goodbye to R3’s and more likely R5’s next and hello to more R7’s & R8’s in the future, potentially even R9’s aswell. The expenses of these characters shouldn’t define what GL is best.
    So why GK is that powerful?
    UPd I nearly defeated R9 LV + R9 Maul + R9 Piett + R8 DV + R8 Royal Guard with GAS. Only LV remained

  • Nauros
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    Josh712 wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    Just because he’s the most expensive doesn’t define that he needs to be the best. The easier it is now to take a character to G12 because of the economy changes to gear will result in higher relic levels required for events such as future GL’s. Say goodbye to R3’s and more likely R5’s next and hello to more R7’s & R8’s in the future, potentially even R9’s aswell. The expenses of these characters shouldn’t define what GL is best.

    That would be a fine argument if they weren't throwing around "protecting players' investment" whenever they decide to ruin a counter. The simple fact is that LV needs the biggest investment. If their argument is more than just excuse, his power should match it.
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    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    The point, for the players, is that its another GL. If you have 6 GLs, and your GAC opponent only 5 GLs, then you have a very serious advantage, and thus much better chances of winning the match.
    In the old times, with Squad arena being everything, this wouldn't be important, but now GAC is the most important aspect of the game, and having LV is much better than not having him.

    From CG's perspective, its simply money, of course. More toons/gears/relic packs/crystals to be sold.
    Yeah, yeah, having r7 Kit Fisto is also better than none. So what's his point? Beating Kylo on offense instead of JML?

    A kit fisto will not beat your GAC opponents best non-GL team.
    Lord Vader will.

    He’s awful for offense because you will lose a million banners; unless I take him to solo like a jtr team I guess?
  • Nauros
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    Nauros wrote: »
    Josh712 wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    Just because he’s the most expensive doesn’t define that he needs to be the best. The easier it is now to take a character to G12 because of the economy changes to gear will result in higher relic levels required for events such as future GL’s. Say goodbye to R3’s and more likely R5’s next and hello to more R7’s & R8’s in the future, potentially even R9’s aswell. The expenses of these characters shouldn’t define what GL is best.

    That would be a fine argument if they weren't throwing around "protecting players' investment" whenever they decide to ruin a counter. The simple fact is that LV needs the biggest investment. If their argument is more than just excuse, his power should match it.

    LV is an investment, and it is protected by CG to avoid it being easily killed by various non-GL teams. That's the protection. The protection doesn't include making it the strongest GL ever.
    Wether that's enough benefit for you to farm it, it's up to you.

    LV is like buying a super expensive Ferrari. Does it have its moments? Of course. Its obviously a great char, high quality.
    But is it the best? No, definitely not for me. It's annoyingly loud, preventing talk inside, there's no room for any baggage, its very costy to fuel it/repair it, it hits every bump due to being so low.. Its kinda **** if you're looking at the whole picture.
    But you have the option to buy it or not. If that's not what you want, don't whine about it, simply don't buy it.

    I'm not whining about anything. I'm just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy in arguing by "protecting investments" when it's nerf hammer time while letting literally the most expensive unit in the game kinda suck, as you put it.
    And btw I'm getting him, mosty because I don't have much else to do right now. SK is still too far and SEE is even worse.
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    He's um, great for Conquest....
  • Nauros
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    He's um, great for Conquest....

    That might come in handy if they think that too many people got Dad bod Boba...
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    Nauros wrote: »
    Josh712 wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    Just because he’s the most expensive doesn’t define that he needs to be the best. The easier it is now to take a character to G12 because of the economy changes to gear will result in higher relic levels required for events such as future GL’s. Say goodbye to R3’s and more likely R5’s next and hello to more R7’s & R8’s in the future, potentially even R9’s aswell. The expenses of these characters shouldn’t define what GL is best.

    That would be a fine argument if they weren't throwing around "protecting players' investment" whenever they decide to ruin a counter. The simple fact is that LV needs the biggest investment. If their argument is more than just excuse, his power should match it.

    LV is an investment, and it is protected by CG to avoid it being easily killed by various non-GL teams. That's the protection. The protection doesn't include making it the strongest GL ever.
    Wether that's enough benefit for you to farm it, it's up to you.

    LV is like buying a super expensive Ferrari. Does it have its moments? Of course. Its obviously a great char, high quality.
    But is it the best? No, definitely not for me. It's annoyingly loud, preventing talk inside, there's no room for any baggage, its very costy to fuel it/repair it, it hits every bump due to being so low.. Its kinda **** if you're looking at the whole picture.
    But you have the option to buy it or not. If that's not what you want, don't whine about it, simply don't buy it.

    Couldn’t have worded this any better. People will whine because that’s what they do, you will never benefit the whole consumer base. A lot of people are still happy with lord vader, yes he aint the best but he’s nowhere near the worst. To be honest I can’t believe threads like this still exist, LV came out a few months ago and it’s like people are blindsided that he aint the best GL ever lol.
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    Technically this was a bug fix, not a nerf. They accidentally made him better than he should have been.
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    Josh712 wrote: »
    Nauros wrote: »
    Josh712 wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    Just because he’s the most expensive doesn’t define that he needs to be the best. The easier it is now to take a character to G12 because of the economy changes to gear will result in higher relic levels required for events such as future GL’s. Say goodbye to R3’s and more likely R5’s next and hello to more R7’s & R8’s in the future, potentially even R9’s aswell. The expenses of these characters shouldn’t define what GL is best.

    That would be a fine argument if they weren't throwing around "protecting players' investment" whenever they decide to ruin a counter. The simple fact is that LV needs the biggest investment. If their argument is more than just excuse, his power should match it.

    LV is an investment, and it is protected by CG to avoid it being easily killed by various non-GL teams. That's the protection. The protection doesn't include making it the strongest GL ever.
    Wether that's enough benefit for you to farm it, it's up to you.

    LV is like buying a super expensive Ferrari. Does it have its moments? Of course. Its obviously a great char, high quality.
    But is it the best? No, definitely not for me. It's annoyingly loud, preventing talk inside, there's no room for any baggage, its very costy to fuel it/repair it, it hits every bump due to being so low.. Its kinda **** if you're looking at the whole picture.
    But you have the option to buy it or not. If that's not what you want, don't whine about it, simply don't buy it.

    Couldn’t have worded this any better. People will whine because that’s what they do, you will never benefit the whole consumer base. A lot of people are still happy with lord vader, yes he aint the best but he’s nowhere near the worst. To be honest I can’t believe threads like this still exist, LV came out a few months ago and it’s like people are blindsided that he aint the best GL ever lol.

    Who would you put as the worst gl? I think there is a strong argument for him being the worst. The salty part is that he cost the most for being close to the worst if not the worst.
  • Josh712
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    edited January 2022
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    LukeDukem8 wrote: »
    Josh712 wrote: »
    Nauros wrote: »
    Josh712 wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    Devian wrote: »
    It all depends on the lineup.
    Just with every other GL - try defending with GMK without CAT.
    Try LoVer with Maul against GK with CAT =D

    So? A toon has to beat everything on offense to be good?
    The most expensive GL? Well, he has to be on par with GK or at least to be strong against him but weak against... for example Rey, GK can beat everything and defend against nearly every team. What is a point of LV if he struggles against GK?
    What really IS the point of LoVer in this game?

    Just because he’s the most expensive doesn’t define that he needs to be the best. The easier it is now to take a character to G12 because of the economy changes to gear will result in higher relic levels required for events such as future GL’s. Say goodbye to R3’s and more likely R5’s next and hello to more R7’s & R8’s in the future, potentially even R9’s aswell. The expenses of these characters shouldn’t define what GL is best.

    That would be a fine argument if they weren't throwing around "protecting players' investment" whenever they decide to ruin a counter. The simple fact is that LV needs the biggest investment. If their argument is more than just excuse, his power should match it.

    LV is an investment, and it is protected by CG to avoid it being easily killed by various non-GL teams. That's the protection. The protection doesn't include making it the strongest GL ever.
    Wether that's enough benefit for you to farm it, it's up to you.

    LV is like buying a super expensive Ferrari. Does it have its moments? Of course. Its obviously a great char, high quality.
    But is it the best? No, definitely not for me. It's annoyingly loud, preventing talk inside, there's no room for any baggage, its very costy to fuel it/repair it, it hits every bump due to being so low.. Its kinda **** if you're looking at the whole picture.
    But you have the option to buy it or not. If that's not what you want, don't whine about it, simply don't buy it.

    Couldn’t have worded this any better. People will whine because that’s what they do, you will never benefit the whole consumer base. A lot of people are still happy with lord vader, yes he aint the best but he’s nowhere near the worst. To be honest I can’t believe threads like this still exist, LV came out a few months ago and it’s like people are blindsided that he aint the best GL ever lol.

    Who would you put as the worst gl? I think there is a strong argument for him being the worst. The salty part is that he cost the most for being close to the worst if not the worst.


    I personally would have to put SEE at the bottom of the list, I know he’s the cheapest in resources but for him to even be viable against most gl’s he needs WAT and or armourer alongside him. Which is absurd, but that’s another story for a different thread.
    The next batch of GL’s could require R9’s and be even worse than the first 2 GL’s but that doesn’t stop the fact that new and improved means better overall. That’s what people don’t like about lord vader and that’s where the extra salt comes from.
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    Josh712 wrote: »
    I personally would have to put SEE at the bottom of the list, I know he’s the cheapest in resources but for him to even be viable against most gl’s he needs WAT and or armourer alongside him. Which is absurd, but that’s another story for a different thread.
    But you need Maul for LV to be viable as well. And IT still can manage him. And now even GAS can deal him a serious dmg. Not sure if GAS can manage him without Maul though.

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    LukeDukem8 wrote: »
    Technically this was a bug fix, not a nerf. They accidentally made him better than he should have been.

    If you believe it was an accident. Wouldnt surprise me if this is a new bussines strategy to make character look better when they're new while allowing CG to tone them down before the next big thing comes out. They did a similar thing with Malevolence not too long before Executor was released.
  • Gifafi
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    Hopefully more of my opponents refuse to get these weak awful GL’s
    Maybe End Game isn't for you
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