I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I completely disagree. I used to win most of my matches (11-1 to 9-3) per season. I tuned my roster to be able to defeat meta teams; you say I need to adjust my expectations, and get used to going 6-6? No. No I will not get used to that, its not even remotely fun. You can't just say "oh you used to have to get used to your new place?"
I have always made Kyber; I'm still in Kyber 1 but not winning half as much as I used to. I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
I completely disagree. I used to win most of my matches (11-1 to 9-3) per season. I tuned my roster to be able to defeat meta teams; you say I need to adjust my expectations, and get used to going 6-6? No. No I will not get used to that, its not even remotely fun. You can't just say "oh you used to have to get used to your new place?"
I have always made Kyber; I'm still in Kyber 1 but not winning half as much as I used to. I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
LOL this guy. 9M GP, all six GLs, Executor "outclassed by a lot". Me trying to figure out what a lot means after being out GL'd 6-4 in 2 out of 3 rounds last week in K1.
The game mode has changed. I think there are a lot of people that would argue that the prior mode was more "fair". This mode is more of a meritocracy based on execution. Last mode was based on roster building exploits (efficiencies, whatever you want to call it). You will hit a ceiling. It will be painful. You must build your roster faster to get to the next level. Full stop.
Don't get me wrong, hitting the ceiling is no fun, and it's expensive. It would be a lot less painful if the crystal rewards weren't so heavily favored towards the winner. But the attitude of "this stinks because I can't flex against people that weren't as judicious with roster construction"comes off as entitles and whiny. A real competitor would welcome the challenge to improve.
My history sounds very similar to yours, @Bhaalor - good placing in Kyber, loads of fun strategising interesting defences, and plenty of off-meta counters. But GAC has changed - CG are protecting people’s investment in GLs by (generally) requiring one to beat one.
You may not like it, you may not want to get used to it, but right now, this is how it is and I can’t see it changing anytime soon.
I completely disagree. I used to win most of my matches (11-1 to 9-3) per season. I tuned my roster to be able to defeat meta teams; you say I need to adjust my expectations, and get used to going 6-6? No. No I will not get used to that, its not even remotely fun. You can't just say "oh you used to have to get used to your new place?"
I have always made Kyber; I'm still in Kyber 1 but not winning half as much as I used to. I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
LOL this guy. 9M GP, all six GLs, Executor "outclassed by a lot". Me trying to figure out what a lot means after being out GL'd 6-4 in 2 out of 3 rounds last week in K1.
The game mode has changed. I think there are a lot of people that would argue that the prior mode was more "fair". This mode is more of a meritocracy based on execution. Last mode was based on roster building exploits (efficiencies, whatever you want to call it). You will hit a ceiling. It will be painful. You must build your roster faster to get to the next level. Full stop.
Don't get me wrong, hitting the ceiling is no fun, and it's expensive. It would be a lot less painful if the crystal rewards weren't so heavily favored towards the winner. But the attitude of "this stinks because I can't flex against people that weren't as judicious with roster construction"comes off as entitles and whiny. A real competitor would welcome the challenge to improve.
Yes, this guy. There is improvement, and there is no chance. The game mode has change and I do not have to like it. You look at my roster and are like 9m, all GL's Executor; and can't fathom being outclassed, rest assured it can an does happen fairly easily; especially with the release of all the new marquee's and the ability to buy Omi's. Now that crystal rewards are locked into it, it matters way more than it used to. That and I like winning, not going 6-6; especially when you were used to going 11-1 to 9-3.
My history sounds very similar to yours, @Bhaalor - good placing in Kyber, loads of fun strategising interesting defences, and plenty of off-meta counters. But GAC has changed - CG are protecting people’s investment in GLs by (generally) requiring one to beat one.
You may not like it, you may not want to get used to it, but right now, this is how it is and I can’t see it changing anytime soon.
I dont either, and it bothers me. Not sure what I'm going to do, but not enjoying this game as much as I used to.
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
I also used the "exploit" of a lean roster to go 12-0 pretty much every season. But I too think this change is for the better. I do miss the extra slicing mats, but the extra crystals more than make up for it, plus I don't have to do arena battles every day at the same time if I don't want, plus I don't have to worry about the potential negative impact of improving my roster. Total win-win situation.
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
So can you. Socialism in gaming, good times.
Your roster is outclassed (in your own words) because of Socialism?
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
So can you. Socialism in gaming, good times.
Your roster is outclassed (in your own words) because of Socialism?
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
So can you. Socialism in gaming, good times.
Your roster is outclassed (in your own words) because of Socialism?
No, pulling my share of losses.
It's not your literal share. Nothing is stopping you from improving and moving up.
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
So can you. Socialism in gaming, good times.
Your roster is outclassed (in your own words) because of Socialism?
It was a flippant response to a flippant response, and it was not to you, it was to the other guy.
Actually finally got a good matching
All 3.7-4.8 gp
No GLs (this is the big one)
#of relics and top 50% of roster is fairly comparable.
The gp spread is absolutely fine. As lot is usually the low end of peoples rosters.
I know we got lucky on the last 2 items, but it made a difference, I would really love to see cg implement matching #GLs and +\- 5 relics cross checks. Because we rolled the rng jackpot matchmaker this round will actually be fun, engaging, true strategic and challenging. I am looking forward to this round! Wish they all matched like this, it allows battle same quality rosters in your skill range. Truely looking forward to this round
@CG_SBCrumb_MINI sorry bro had to tag you, two small additions make huge difference!
My last GAC I faced 3 opponents with +4mil GP and I have 2.5mil. I assumed MM was bad and that I was outclassed dramatically and would finish in 8th. I ended up taking 2nd place and lost the finals because I messed up vs his nightsisters team.
I recognize my circumstances are unique to me but so far these GAC changes and MM have been really good.
I've run in to really similar matches honestly. If you have a decent strategy going in MM isn't all that bad. OP said it best, Painful, but not broken. I'm at about my 50% range and nearly ALL my opponents have at least one more GL than me and often a few mil more GP. I still end up winning about half my matches.
I've found that I get more worked up because I see bigger rosters constantly, but the MM is in fact doing what they said it would, which is something at least.
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
So can you. Socialism in gaming, good times.
I don't see how you actually getting matched against people with a chance of beating you is any form of socialism. Just better matches for all involved through results based matching.
I ain't stopping. This game got massively better with the dropping of squad arena and the bantha point system for matching.
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
So can you. Socialism in gaming, good times.
I don't see how you actually getting matched against people with a chance of beating you is any form of socialism. Just better matches for all involved through results based matching.
I ain't stopping. This game got massively better with the dropping of squad arena and the bantha point system for matching.
It was a flippant response to your "carry your share now" as in for some reason I don't deserve to win anymore; as if somehow tuning your roster and developing counters was a bad thing. Its not getting matched with people who have a chance of beating me (I welcome that), its getting matched with people I have zero chance of winning against. I like competition, but I also like a fair fight; there is reasons in sporting events to have weight classes etc. I do not like the new ladder matchmaking system based solely on win/loss.
If you're going 11-1 and 9-3 or whatever, you're imposing more losses on other players. So if they enjoy the same thing as you (just winning) then you were ruining the game for others before. There is a loser in every match. You'll just have to carry your share now.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
So can you. Socialism in gaming, good times.
I don't see how you actually getting matched against people with a chance of beating you is any form of socialism. Just better matches for all involved through results based matching.
I ain't stopping. This game got massively better with the dropping of squad arena and the bantha point system for matching.
Its not getting matched with people who have a chance of beating me (I welcome that), its getting matched with people I have zero chance of winning against. I like competition, but I also like a fair fight; there is reasons in sporting events to have weight classes etc. I do not like the new ladder matchmaking system based solely on win/loss.
There is always a chance that your opponent choose not to attack. So there is nothing like “zero chance of winning”. You only know for certain after the match is over.
The leagues and divisions are the “weight classes”. Talking about boxing, every athlete is allowed to move up and down the weight classes as long as they fulfill the weight threshold. Same principle here.
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
No. The only difference (besides Starkiller) between a 9M account and a 10M account is that the 10M account has relics on mob enforcer, cup, ugnaught etc., plus good mods on them. Those will literally not affect the matchup in any way though, since like 30% of the roster will not be used at all. And sure, they may have slightly better mods overall, but the speed averages of the toons used in the match should be very close to each other. All of this is definitely not "a lot".
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
No. The only difference (besides Starkiller) between a 9M account and a 10M account is that the 10M account has relics on mob enforcer, cup, ugnaught etc., plus good mods on them. Those will literally not affect the matchup in any way though, since like 30% of the roster will not be used at all. And sure, they may have slightly better mods overall, but the speed averages of the toons used in the match should be very close to each other. All of this is definitely not "a lot".
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.
Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.
Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.
Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.
Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.
Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.
Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.
really now.
Those are not all GAC omis. The fact that you said that tells a lot about how well you scout your opponents. Maybe you did deserve the loss then.
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.
Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.
Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.
really now.
9 omis total and not just GAC ones, hurr durr
I guess the next thing you gonna tell me.is that he had Chirpa and Rose omis and that they were game changers of course...
I’m struggling with the continuous negative comments about how the new matchmaking is creating broken match-ups.
I think the biggest problem is with people’s understanding (or expectations) about what is really driving things. So here is my 2 pence to add to the discussion.
- Eventually everyone will “find their level”. This might be higher or lower than the division where you were first put.
- When you’ve found your level, expect to win about half of your battles. (If you don’t, you haven’t found your level yet!)
- In a game where GLs (and Executor) are hard to counter with non-meta teams, your level will probably look fairly similar to you in terms of GL count. BUT…Good players may compensate with off-meta counters, clever strategy or roster depth, and be able to punch up a bit
- Every time you get a new GL (or Executor) you have a chance to float up to a higher level. But remember everyone else is trying to do the same
- a whale who auto-deploys and doesn’t attack will lose every time, even if it isn’t much fun to fight them. A strong roster who only engages with GAC sporadically will move about a lot and be annoying when they drop down and then climb up again. We have to get used to this, but is this really that common?
- it looks like CG is keeping a limit on the size of Kyber 1 (top 15k players?) and resetting the boundaries to keep it like that. It’s nothing personal. Keep fighting hard and you’ll get to the level you deserve.
TLDR: we still have good players climbing up, and bad or uninterested players falling down. This will take a bit of time everyone to settle, so please don’t complain about it just yet
My last round had me facing 7 opponents with Executors (which I don’t have) and more GLs than me. But I know why I was facing them, I know why I lost all three matches, and I know what I’m working on to address things.
End of rant, thanks for listening :-)
I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
The "outclassed by a lot" is simply a wrong thing to say when you have all GLs (all at least r8) and a r9 Exec. You may not have Starkiller or a relic'd Iden Versio team, but your opponent having them doesn't mean you're outclassed by "a lot". You just need to adjust your strategy against those kinds of players. It's still very much possible for you to win, even if the odds are against you. I've checked your GAC history and the matches you lost so far could have gone either way if you just played a bit differently. You just happened to pick the wrong counters to beat certain teams and that cost you the match. Learn from those battles and move on. There are players out there with much lower GP that made it to higher kyber ranks than you simple because they played well, even against stronger opponents. I'm not saying you're a bad player or anything, not at all; you have a great legacy GAC score. But sometimes you just have to accept defeat, especially if you didn't play well yourself.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.
Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.
Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.
really now.
Those are not all GAC omis. The fact that you said that tells a lot about how well you scout your opponents. Maybe you did deserve the loss then.
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I completely disagree. I used to win most of my matches (11-1 to 9-3) per season. I tuned my roster to be able to defeat meta teams; you say I need to adjust my expectations, and get used to going 6-6? No. No I will not get used to that, its not even remotely fun. You can't just say "oh you used to have to get used to your new place?"
I have always made Kyber; I'm still in Kyber 1 but not winning half as much as I used to. I am meeting players I have zero chance of defeating, not because I dont have skill, but just because I am out classed by a lot. In the old matchup (while it was not perfect); at least it was mostly fair, you may have someone with a lopsided roster but most of the time they had a hole or two in their roster you could exploit.
LOL this guy. 9M GP, all six GLs, Executor "outclassed by a lot". Me trying to figure out what a lot means after being out GL'd 6-4 in 2 out of 3 rounds last week in K1.
The game mode has changed. I think there are a lot of people that would argue that the prior mode was more "fair". This mode is more of a meritocracy based on execution. Last mode was based on roster building exploits (efficiencies, whatever you want to call it). You will hit a ceiling. It will be painful. You must build your roster faster to get to the next level. Full stop.
Don't get me wrong, hitting the ceiling is no fun, and it's expensive. It would be a lot less painful if the crystal rewards weren't so heavily favored towards the winner. But the attitude of "this stinks because I can't flex against people that weren't as judicious with roster construction"comes off as entitles and whiny. A real competitor would welcome the challenge to improve.
You may not like it, you may not want to get used to it, but right now, this is how it is and I can’t see it changing anytime soon.
Yes, this guy. There is improvement, and there is no chance. The game mode has change and I do not have to like it. You look at my roster and are like 9m, all GL's Executor; and can't fathom being outclassed, rest assured it can an does happen fairly easily; especially with the release of all the new marquee's and the ability to buy Omi's. Now that crystal rewards are locked into it, it matters way more than it used to. That and I like winning, not going 6-6; especially when you were used to going 11-1 to 9-3.
I dont either, and it bothers me. Not sure what I'm going to do, but not enjoying this game as much as I used to.
Now others are 'ruining it' for you, because the exploit you were taking advantage of has been removed. I'm so sad for you. You can stop playing any time you like.
I also used the "exploit" of a lean roster to go 12-0 pretty much every season. But I too think this change is for the better. I do miss the extra slicing mats, but the extra crystals more than make up for it, plus I don't have to do arena battles every day at the same time if I don't want, plus I don't have to worry about the potential negative impact of improving my roster. Total win-win situation.
So can you. Socialism in gaming, good times.
Your roster is outclassed (in your own words) because of Socialism?
No, pulling my share of losses.
It's not your literal share. Nothing is stopping you from improving and moving up.
It was a flippant response to a flippant response, and it was not to you, it was to the other guy.
All 3.7-4.8 gp
No GLs (this is the big one)
#of relics and top 50% of roster is fairly comparable.
The gp spread is absolutely fine. As lot is usually the low end of peoples rosters.
I know we got lucky on the last 2 items, but it made a difference, I would really love to see cg implement matching #GLs and +\- 5 relics cross checks. Because we rolled the rng jackpot matchmaker this round will actually be fun, engaging, true strategic and challenging. I am looking forward to this round! Wish they all matched like this, it allows battle same quality rosters in your skill range. Truely looking forward to this round
@CG_SBCrumb_MINI sorry bro had to tag you, two small additions make huge difference!
I've run in to really similar matches honestly. If you have a decent strategy going in MM isn't all that bad. OP said it best, Painful, but not broken. I'm at about my 50% range and nearly ALL my opponents have at least one more GL than me and often a few mil more GP. I still end up winning about half my matches.
I've found that I get more worked up because I see bigger rosters constantly, but the MM is in fact doing what they said it would, which is something at least.
I don't see how you actually getting matched against people with a chance of beating you is any form of socialism. Just better matches for all involved through results based matching.
I ain't stopping. This game got massively better with the dropping of squad arena and the bantha point system for matching.
It was a flippant response to your "carry your share now" as in for some reason I don't deserve to win anymore; as if somehow tuning your roster and developing counters was a bad thing. Its not getting matched with people who have a chance of beating me (I welcome that), its getting matched with people I have zero chance of winning against. I like competition, but I also like a fair fight; there is reasons in sporting events to have weight classes etc. I do not like the new ladder matchmaking system based solely on win/loss.
There is always a chance that your opponent choose not to attack. So there is nothing like “zero chance of winning”. You only know for certain after the match is over.
The leagues and divisions are the “weight classes”. Talking about boxing, every athlete is allowed to move up and down the weight classes as long as they fulfill the weight threshold. Same principle here.
Happened to me several times
Must be nice.
1.5m gp is not a lot? 3x the mods is not a lot?
No. The only difference (besides Starkiller) between a 9M account and a 10M account is that the 10M account has relics on mob enforcer, cup, ugnaught etc., plus good mods on them. Those will literally not affect the matchup in any way though, since like 30% of the roster will not be used at all. And sure, they may have slightly better mods overall, but the speed averages of the toons used in the match should be very close to each other. All of this is definitely not "a lot".
We will agree to disagree then.
And? A guild mate (7.6m at the time) beat a 10.Xm guy at the start of the SR GAC. I'm sitting at over 3900 SR with 7.8m and was getting there with only 5 GL and 1 of the top omis (Zam), facing only 6 GL opponents with at least one of the Zam/QGJ omis but often times even both. That's what I would call being outclassed but even that wouldn't be "outclassed by a lot" which would rather apply to the poor ppl that have to fight like a 2 GL, 1 top-omi and significant mod disadvanatge.
Dude had 9 GAC omi's but whatever; you do you.
Nope, he didn't. I checked his profile. None of your opponents did.
really now.
Those are not all GAC omis. The fact that you said that tells a lot about how well you scout your opponents. Maybe you did deserve the loss then.
9 omis total and not just GAC ones, hurr durr
I guess the next thing you gonna tell me.is that he had Chirpa and Rose omis and that they were game changers of course...
How well they scout, or how well they exaggerate?