Why is Leviathan getting OWNED by Marauder/Negotiator now?
October 11, 2023 7:41PM
edited April 17
Seriously i feel like im beating a dead horse all over again, but with the addition of marauder negotiator is now the meta again destroying 7 star leviathan lett and right, but why?
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Just my thoughts. I'll take actual counters over Ult mirror races any day.
Well, it is the meta. Currently sitting at 60%. Also pretty sure the Maurader thing is a bug that they already mentioned.
Well, Echelon came out about 8 months after Executor, not two months, so not really the same. Also Finalizer still isn't a hard counter, just a fairly reliable soft counter.
Finalizer is a hatd counter. I win over 90% of my battles against Exe and only if the RNG is really bad do I lose.
As to the Marauder, they already said there is a bug so it is quite possible it will bot work that good after they fixed it. If they want the ship to be used with Endurance, they might even add a clause that some mechanics only work with Endurance, just like they did with Kyle Katarn and Home One.
Congrats ! But data show it’s not the case for a lot of players. So still a soft counter, even if you managed to master it.
Everything is possible, but i doubt they will allow an old fleet with the help of a chase ship to become the 2023-2024 meta hard counter.
I have
K, where?
Has something to do with crying about attack banners, at least for profundity.
I am with you, I could care less if these other teams can beat Levi or not.
If they keep making changes and nerfing for any counter that comes out that can beat Levi, we gonna end up where the Levi counter truly needs an "I win" ability.
My shard, obviously
But they didn't say how long it would be.
Levi is defining the meta
Levi is "executing" profundity
CG delivered on promise.
I agree.
I don't understand why some people expect a win button even on defense. I don't care if there is a fleet that can beat it reliably as l8ng as I can climb with it.
I think this data does not include the fact that you need to know how to exactly play the counter. Especially in the beginning of the battle you have to use very specific steps and if one of those steps goes wrong(bad RNG), you have to know what to do to still be able to win.
I know some in my guild still can't play the counter reliably eventhough I and others made lots of Videos for them and gave them a step by step "walkthrough". The numbers in the battle statistics include these players whom are not so versed with the counter.
Thanks for proving my point. If you have to know what you're doing, it's not a hard counter. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Done.
So then profundity pre Levi buff wasn't a hard counter and we shouldn't have had the change to Levi.
That's even worse!
Well, I never said that it was a hard counter, so there's that. In fact, I still haven't gotten it to work with my 6* Profundity.
I don't know... that sounds too high a bar. If you have to know what you are doing, but there isn't much rng, i.e. say 90% WR, as long as you execute the strategy correctly, that's still a hard counter by my book.
Exactly, thank you.
Many counters only work if you use the right order, strategy etc and they are still considered hard counters. So if you don't know what you're doing, it's just a soft counter?
Well said
If it's 90% winrate then sure, hard counter. But that's not the case, at least according to .gg. The best in any season is 55%.