To confirm zaul is still meta

Hurkan

This is the discussion, created 20 days ago
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/102967/9-10-zaul-teams-funny/p1
And it's video:
https://youtu.be/9IF8IrcPzBY

And this morning: https://youtu.be/RCTZdqXknGo

Will we still discuss meta?

LordStyling

Depends on the shard.
esit: Mine is a December 2015 one.

My shard doesn't have as many as you, but we're still abundant haha

Made a video for you:

https://youtu.be/JBtiKUppGUI

LordStyling

Rex squads are VERY good counters to Zaul's tho.

Ig88isboss

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

dennishsnyder57

I'm about to zeta Maul. So excited!!!!

Vertigo

That's just one shard though...

Looking at my shard currently:

1. GK, Zarriss, DN, Chaze
2. Full FO all zeta'd
3. Zaul (Me)
4. Zaul
5. Zaul
6. Rex
7. Rex
8. Nihilus
9. Zaul
10. Zaul
11. Zaul
12. Rex
13. Rex
14. Rex
15. Zaul
16. Rex
17. Zaul
18. Zaul
19. zJyn
20. Zaul
21. zQGJ
22. zQGJ
23. Zaul
24. FO (meh mods, 2 zetas)
25. Rex
26. zFinn

Pretty much all of the top 15 can sneak up to the top 5 for their payout. Most can grab 1st. Mainly just went all the way to 26 to show the zeta Finn team that can work it's way up to 5th and then drop to 62 overnight. (Don't think he's dropped that far since he got GK) After that we see a few Zaders, and a couple of Wedge leads in the 40s, and the occasional Boba lead.

Vertigo

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

unit900000

14 zaul, 5 rex and 1 jyn lead rouge one team in the top 20 of my server. top 5 of my server is 3 rex and 2 zaul. 1st place is using the most used 1st place arena squad https://swgoh.gg/meta-report/#squads

Hurkan

I didn't say Zaul is unbeatable but more op than other teams so everybody playing zaul and the game isn't funny when 9/10 players playing with zauls.

unit900000

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

nihilus is extremely overrated EP is far more useful trust me nihilus is not the reason why zaul is so good. i will agree that nihilus does seem to be meta though but zaul is as well. that said nihilus does work great in a zaul team.

Hurkan

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

I complately agree. Darth nihilus is also so op. I don't need to complain because I also have darth nihilus like everybody but he is ruining game.

LordStyling

Hurkan wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

I complately agree. Darth nihilus is also so op. I don't need to complain because I also have darth nihilus like everybody but he is ruining game.

ruining the game?

lol....

come on fellas, we heard that with:

- Barriss when game was launched
- QGJ in first month
- Poe after 1-2 months
- Old Ben after 3 months
- Dooku not much later
- Wiggs 7-8 months ago
- Chaze 3/4 months ago


and look they all beatable.... and so is Zaul and zDn

Hurkan

unit900000 wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

nihilus is extremely overrated EP is far more useful trust me nihilus is not the reason why zaul is so good. i will agree that nihilus does seem to be meta though but zaul is as well. that said nihilus does work great in a zaul team.

Ep can't do anything when enemy have tenacity up but dn's skills irresistible. Nothing can stop his annihilate and tenacity up can't prevent his cd increase skill.

LordStyling

Hurkan wrote: »

unit900000 wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

nihilus is extremely overrated EP is far more useful trust me nihilus is not the reason why zaul is so good. i will agree that nihilus does seem to be meta though but zaul is as well. that said nihilus does work great in a zaul team.

Ep can't do anything when enemy have tenacity up but dn's skills irresistible. Nothing can stop his annihilate and tenacity up can't prevent his cd increase skill.

yes tenacity up can avoid it.

Hurkan

LordStyling wrote: »

Hurkan wrote: »

unit900000 wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

nihilus is extremely overrated EP is far more useful trust me nihilus is not the reason why zaul is so good. i will agree that nihilus does seem to be meta though but zaul is as well. that said nihilus does work great in a zaul team.

Ep can't do anything when enemy have tenacity up but dn's skills irresistible. Nothing can stop his annihilate and tenacity up can't prevent his cd increase skill.

yes tenacity up can avoid it.

No it can't.

Vertigo

Hurkan wrote: »

unit900000 wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

nihilus is extremely overrated EP is far more useful trust me nihilus is not the reason why zaul is so good. i will agree that nihilus does seem to be meta though but zaul is as well. that said nihilus does work great in a zaul team.

Ep can't do anything when enemy have tenacity up but dn's skills irresistible. Nothing can stop his annihilate and tenacity up can't prevent his cd increase skill.

Agreed. EP, while I love his shock, and stun, is not nearly as useful as Nihilus is. Irresistible cooldown increase is extremely powerful. Stuns can be cleansed, Shock can be cleansed, and both can be resisted. Dispel on basic with one of the stronger basic attacks in the game. Annihilate is just icing on the cake to increase his enormous health pool and protection pool. EP has the lowest armor in the game, and one of the lowest health and protection pools. He is extremely easy to kill. Nihilus is not.

Nihilus isn't the reason Zaul is so good, that is true, but Zaul was not nearly as good as it is now before we got these three new sith and a zeta on Savage. EP got no update in that Sith buff, but the three new Sith made Zaul a team to be reckoned with, EP did not.

Hurkan

Vertigo wrote: »

Hurkan wrote: »

unit900000 wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

nihilus is extremely overrated EP is far more useful trust me nihilus is not the reason why zaul is so good. i will agree that nihilus does seem to be meta though but zaul is as well. that said nihilus does work great in a zaul team.

Ep can't do anything when enemy have tenacity up but dn's skills irresistible. Nothing can stop his annihilate and tenacity up can't prevent his cd increase skill.

Agreed. EP, while I love his shock, and stun, is not nearly as useful as Nihilus is. Irresistible cooldown increase is extremely powerful. Stuns can be cleansed, Shock can be cleansed, and both can be resisted. Dispel on basic with one of the stronger basic attacks in the game. Annihilate is just icing on the cake to increase his enormous health pool and protection pool. EP has the lowest armor in the game, and one of the lowest health and protection pools. He is extremely easy to kill. Nihilus is not.

Nihilus isn't the reason Zaul is so good, that is true, but Zaul was not nearly as good as it is now before we got these three new sith and a zeta on Savage. EP got no update in that Sith buff, but the three new Sith made Zaul a team to be reckoned with, EP did not.

You explained exactly what I want to say.

benacrow

LordStyling wrote: »

Hurkan wrote: »

unit900000 wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

nihilus is extremely overrated EP is far more useful trust me nihilus is not the reason why zaul is so good. i will agree that nihilus does seem to be meta though but zaul is as well. that said nihilus does work great in a zaul team.

Ep can't do anything when enemy have tenacity up but dn's skills irresistible. Nothing can stop his annihilate and tenacity up can't prevent his cd increase skill.

yes tenacity up can avoid it.

I second the no it can't.

unit900000

LordStyling wrote: »

Hurkan wrote: »

unit900000 wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

nihilus is extremely overrated EP is far more useful trust me nihilus is not the reason why zaul is so good. i will agree that nihilus does seem to be meta though but zaul is as well. that said nihilus does work great in a zaul team.

Ep can't do anything when enemy have tenacity up but dn's skills irresistible. Nothing can stop his annihilate and tenacity up can't prevent his cd increase skill.

yes tenacity up can avoid it.

nope.

Hurkan wrote: »

unit900000 wrote: »

Vertigo wrote: »

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Cue the 'zaul isn't meta' warriors. Im not sure of their ultimate goal.

Honestly, Nihilus is meta (not his lead). Zaul is a just a very nice way to keep him alive and get him to annihilate people faster. Triple cleanse team keeps alive long enough to do the same as well.

nihilus is extremely overrated EP is far more useful trust me nihilus is not the reason why zaul is so good. i will agree that nihilus does seem to be meta though but zaul is as well. that said nihilus does work great in a zaul team.

Ep can't do anything when enemy have tenacity up but dn's skills irresistible. Nothing can stop his annihilate and tenacity up can't prevent his cd increase skill.

true but thats why i run b2 and annihilate takes to long to be usable. the problem i have with nihilus is his annihilate takes to long and hes near useless when hes ability blocked witch happens a lot with vader running around. EP has better damage output and a better basic attack then nihilus so what if he can despell the most that will do vs a zaul team is despell offense up/advantage and vs a rex team? lol k so you just despelled tenacity up off of ONE character hahaha so good /s. only thing his basic has going for him is despelling taunters but its easier to just shock taunters with EP instead and his shock is better then nihilus wimpy basic vs zaul sense shock will prevent stealth/turn meter. now as far as EP vs nihilus gos its true that nihilus has the better AOE but that still doesnt make up for the fact that EP has a far better basic attack and better damage output and isn't near useless when hes ability blocked unlike nihilus and it still doesnt change the fact that nihilus annihilate takes to long to come off of cool down.

Hurkan

You can't compare dn with ep. Ep is very easy to kill toon. Dn have more health and protection than my St.han

unit900000

Hurkan wrote: »

You can't compare dn with ep. Ep is very easy to kill toon. Dn have more health and protection than my St.han

a useless charator is still useless rather hes tanky or not.

Ig88isboss

R2 will end the zaul meta. Sith Lords are his speciality.

Hurkan

Ig88isboss wrote: »

R2 will end the zaul meta. Sith Lords are his speciality.

I hope so

Achilles

Would be cool, if R2's "Combat Analysis" unique would just disable opponents Leader bonus ... That would make him most used char in arena! *lol*

Hurkan

Good idea but I think it is not possible. Everybody want their zeta back:)

seegester

Just for statistics, arena top20 in my shard, Dec16:

1. zMaul, zDN, GK, Chaze
2. DN, SithTrooper, Dooku, Chaze
3. Wiggs, Boba, Chaze
4. Jyn, Cassian, K2SO, Chaze
5. Wiggs, Cassian, Chaze
6. Rex, DN, GK, Chaze
7. DN, EP, Dooku, DV, Sidious
8. Rex, Kylo, DN, Chaze
9. Wiggs, Lando, Leia, STHan
10. Assajj, Daka, DN, Yoda, zBarriss (me)
11. Wiggs, Lando, Chaze
12. Wiggs, Lando, Chaze
13. EP, DV, TFP, Boba, ShoreTrooper
14. Lando, Wiggs, Boba, STHan
15. DN, DV, Dooku, Boba, ShoreTrooper
16. Wiggs, Jyn, Chaze
17. DN, DV, Dooku, SithTrooper, EP
18. DV, EP, TFP, Boba, ShoreTrooper
19. EP, DV, B2, Kylo, ShoreTrooper
20. Wiggs, Boba, Chaze

They all look pretty different, and i like it.

seegester

seegester wrote: »

They all look pretty different, and i like it.

Except for Chaze, of cause. They are quite boring. But they are not the strongest toons now.

Ig88isboss

seegester wrote: »

Just for statistics, arena top20 in my shard, Dec16:

1. zMaul, zDN, GK, Chaze
2. DN, SithTrooper, Dooku, Chaze
3. Wiggs, Boba, Chaze
4. Jyn, Cassian, K2SO, Chaze
5. Wiggs, Cassian, Chaze
6. Rex, DN, GK, Chaze
7. DN, EP, Dooku, DV, Sidious
8. Rex, Kylo, DN, Chaze
9. Wiggs, Lando, Leia, STHan
10. Assajj, Daka, DN, Yoda, zBarriss (me)
11. Wiggs, Lando, Chaze
12. Wiggs, Lando, Chaze
13. EP, DV, TFP, Boba, ShoreTrooper
14. Lando, Wiggs, Boba, STHan
15. DN, DV, Dooku, Boba, ShoreTrooper
16. Wiggs, Jyn, Chaze
17. DN, DV, Dooku, SithTrooper, EP
18. DV, EP, TFP, Boba, ShoreTrooper
19. EP, DV, B2, Kylo, ShoreTrooper
20. Wiggs, Boba, Chaze

They all look pretty different, and i like it.

Young servers seem pretty fun.

seegester

Ig88isboss wrote: »

Young servers seem pretty fun.

Yep. Missing droid and jedy squads, tho

JohnnySteelAlpha

I think rather than using the word meta - what some on the Maul topic have been trying to communicate is that he is not the best team. He may be highly used still and very good - but the Rex / 3x cleanse squad, or even Rex+Chaze + DN / zKylo...is a better squad. zDM full-Sith squads are not the best team for attacking nor are they the best squad on defense. By the way, as a zDM user with a zeta on Savage and all Sith gear 11, I'd love for that to not be true, but it is. To consistently, and without RNG, beat a strong 3x cleanse DN (unique zeta) Rex team I need to switch to a DN lead and remove zDM. That's even with having equal / better mods than my opponent. My objective in stating this is to do nothing more than communicate what I see with my team, what I see on my shard, and to provide that info to others if it may help in some way.

Achilles

JohnnySteelAlpha wrote: »

I think rather than using the word meta - what some on the Maul topic have been trying to communicate is that he is not the best team. He may be highly used still and very good - but the Rex / 3x cleanse squad, or even Rex+Chaze + DN / zKylo...is a better squad. zDM full-Sith squads are not the best team for attacking nor are they the best squad on defense. By the way, as a zDM user with a zeta on Savage and all Sith gear 11, I'd love for that to not be true, but it is. To consistently, and without RNG, beat a strong 3x cleanse DN (unique zeta) Rex team I need to switch to a DN lead and remove zDM. That's even with having equal / better mods than my opponent. My objective in stating this is to do nothing more than communicate what I see with my team, what I see on my shard, and to provide that info to others if it may help in some way.

... zMaul is the easiest to use ... just add random mods and dice win or loss ... every non-zMaul squad requires great mods to survive.