Why do i need sith assassin in my Sith team again?

BIEBERyoloSWAG · May 4, 2017 6:22PM

I am running zaul gr 10, zavage gr 10 (zeta tomorrow), palpatine gr 10, nihlus gr 8 but soon 9, and everyone says to replace my gr 9 Vader with sith assassin. Not going to lie Vader is a monster with his debuffs and sword throw.

Why am i replacing him? What does sa bring to the table? Please talk strategy

Darknessie · May 4, 2017 6:23PM

It's all about the speed zader loses his tanky place to zavage at some point.

lisztophobia · May 4, 2017 6:24PM

If you mod Sith Assassin fast enough to make the first move, she uses her stealth ability and boosts the Zaul squad's turn meters so that they all take their turns before the opposing squad does.

Mr_Sausage · May 4, 2017 6:25PM

You don't need her at all. You might not fall as far on defence with her in your lineup.

CleverWes · May 4, 2017 6:25PM

BIEBERyoloSWAG · May 4, 2017 6:34PM

K right now I'm at 58 rank as of today with out her and zavage. Just regular savage. I jumped up about 100 over night because i geared up to 10 on maul and savage. I'm liking Vader but if she can get me higher ranks i may switch.

58 doesn't seem to be my cap either. I Just ran out of arena fights

Jedi_Reach_ · May 4, 2017 6:38PM

Because she's fast?
Because she boosts TM for the whole crew?
Because she's evasive and moderately tanky?
Because she can stun?
Because she does good damage?
Because she has stealth?
Because she's one of the best characters in game (w/ a sith team) at the moment?

Better question is how can you not use her? She's my favorite character in game and hard carries my Zaul team... well, beside Trooper of course.

Mr_Sausage · May 4, 2017 6:42PM

Don't get me wrong. She will help and is an upgrade over Vader due to all of the points above. But you don't need her. I take 1st with a zMaul team without her.

WompWompRat · May 4, 2017 6:42PM

She's essential in a Sith team.

Her TM boosts are priceless

Her stealth is useful

Her one shot kills are insane

Her ability to hit hard is extremely useful

She's also easy to mod up for speed - what's not to like?

QuasarIngwer48 · May 4, 2017 6:45PM

Huh, I always pick out those SA teams for an easy climb.
So squishy. Another weak spot. And seldom 7*.
Trooper is massive though.
SA without trooper is a free win from my experience.

Veritasum · May 4, 2017 6:45PM

I suggest you read her abilities. In most shards, speed is important and that's what she brings to the Sith. If speed is not important in your shard, then carry on.

lisztophobia · May 4, 2017 6:50PM

QuasarIngwer48 wrote: »

Huh, I always pick out those SA teams for an easy climb.
So squishy. Another weak spot. And seldom 7*.
Trooper is massive though.
SA without trooper is a free win from my experience.

And she is one of only a couple characters who is fast enough to trigger Sith Trooper's taunt so early that it's potentially equal to a pre-battle taunt. So Assassin and Trooper go well together, naturally.

Jedi_Reach_ · May 4, 2017 6:50PM

WompWompRat wrote: »

She's essential in a Sith team.

Her TM boosts are priceless

Her stealth is useful

Her one shot kills are insane

Her ability to hit hard is extremely useful

She's also easy to mod up for speed - what's not to like?

How could I forget these points, especially the fact that she can one shot. She's the hardest hitting character on my team, provided her bonuses are stacked.

sneeyatch · May 4, 2017 8:56PM

I'm glad someone put this up here. I've been focused on STrooper for a while along with Nihilus. Trooper is just plain awesome, so once I'm done with him, I'm going to start working Assassin. I've heard good things about her, now I'm convinced she'll be next to work on.

crzydroid · May 4, 2017 9:04PM

Vader's not really an arena toon. I know he seems awesome on attack, but he's really slow and AI doesn't know how to use him. Sometimes under a Palp lead I might stun him. But I usually leave him until last, even with a Zader lead. He's just not that much of a threat.

MasterMasterTimelord · May 4, 2017 9:36PM

Shall I replace my 9.2 K Boba by my 5.5 K SA on my arena squad:
My team is: Maul (z), Palp, DN, Kylo, Boba (maybe SA). Any tips are welcome!

MasterMasterTimelord · May 4, 2017 9:41PM

MasterMasterTimelord wrote: »

Shall I replace my 9.2 K Boba by my 5.5 K SA on my arena squad:
My team is: Maul (z), Palp, DN, Kylo, Boba (maybe SA). Any tips are welcome!

I think that I will create a thread

Jedi_Reach_ · May 4, 2017 9:42PM

MasterMasterTimelord wrote: »

Shall I replace my 9.2 K Boba by my 5.5 K SA on my arena squad:
My team is: Maul (z), Palp, DN, Kylo, Boba (maybe SA). Any tips are welcome!

Yes, get him out.

TheChampionBum · May 4, 2017 9:50PM

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

Jedi_Reach_ · May 4, 2017 10:18PM

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

My gosh this bandwagon nonsense

TheChampionBum · May 5, 2017 3:48PM

Jedi_Reach_ wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

My gosh this bandwagon nonsense

Lol hey R2 is a great toon. Just yesterday I took out a zaul team with GK and managed to beat them with my droid team taking out Nebit and using R2 in his place. Before then, I had never taken out a zaul team without losing any of my toons. Its not nonsense, its happening. You should adjust your team comp.

Chewie_says_Aaarww · May 5, 2017 3:59PM

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Jedi_Reach_ wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

My gosh this bandwagon nonsense

Lol hey R2 is a great toon. Just yesterday I took out a zaul team with GK and managed to beat them with my droid team taking out Nebit and using R2 in his place. Before then, I had never taken out a zaul team without losing any of my toons. Its not nonsense, its happening. You should adjust your team comp.

Never thought I found myself saying this, being a droid player for 6 months. But I believe full sith squads under zMaul lead will be viable for a long long time. With r2, more people are able to beat them, which is a good thing. Awesome to see droids are able to beat Maul squads as well!

On offence, Maul is still superior. With sith assassin, they will go first. This is what makes them great, even without dodge.

Offtopic: How good is sith trooper? I'm not sure if Sith Trooper or General Kenobi should take the 5th spot in: zMaul(L), Sith assassin, zNihilius and zSavage.

TheChampionBum · May 5, 2017 4:05PM

Chewie_says_Aaarww wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Jedi_Reach_ wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

My gosh this bandwagon nonsense

Lol hey R2 is a great toon. Just yesterday I took out a zaul team with GK and managed to beat them with my droid team taking out Nebit and using R2 in his place. Before then, I had never taken out a zaul team without losing any of my toons. Its not nonsense, its happening. You should adjust your team comp.

On offence, Maul is still superior. With sith assassin, they will go first. This is what makes them great, even without dodge.

I don't know about that. Base speed considering, JE and R2 are both faster than SA. Mod them to be quick enough and the entire droid team will attack before SA makes a move. R2 burns them, causing evasion down, and IG88 or HK can ability block the entire team. Once that ability block is on them, its over. Focus attacks on Zaul, and he'll be dead without ever making a move.

Maegor · May 5, 2017 4:24PM

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Chewie_says_Aaarww wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Jedi_Reach_ wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

My gosh this bandwagon nonsense

Lol hey R2 is a great toon. Just yesterday I took out a zaul team with GK and managed to beat them with my droid team taking out Nebit and using R2 in his place. Before then, I had never taken out a zaul team without losing any of my toons. Its not nonsense, its happening. You should adjust your team comp.

On offence, Maul is still superior. With sith assassin, they will go first. This is what makes them great, even without dodge.

I don't know about that. Base speed considering, JE and R2 are both faster than SA. Mod them to be quick enough and the entire droid team will attack before SA makes a move. R2 burns them, causing evasion down, and IG88 or HK can ability block the entire team. Once that ability block is on them, its over. Focus attacks on Zaul, and he'll be dead without ever making a move.

You have to multiply SA's speed by 1.25 to get her opening round speed under Zaul. You'd have to have an insanely modded JE to be faster than her. No way to get an R2 that fast by himself (without recalibrate).

Chewie_says_Aaarww wrote: »

Offtopic: How good is sith trooper? I'm not sure if Sith Trooper or General Kenobi should take the 5th spot in: zMaul(L), Sith assassin, zNihilius and zSavage.

6 or one-half dozen tbh. GK is viable in more comps than Trooper, but Trooper benefits from zaul's leader ability (dodge).

Chewie_says_Aaarww · May 5, 2017 4:25PM

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Chewie_says_Aaarww wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Jedi_Reach_ wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

My gosh this bandwagon nonsense

Lol hey R2 is a great toon. Just yesterday I took out a zaul team with GK and managed to beat them with my droid team taking out Nebit and using R2 in his place. Before then, I had never taken out a zaul team without losing any of my toons. Its not nonsense, its happening. You should adjust your team comp.

On offence, Maul is still superior. With sith assassin, they will go first. This is what makes them great, even without dodge.

I don't know about that. Base speed considering, JE and R2 are both faster than SA. Mod them to be quick enough and the entire droid team will attack before SA makes a move. R2 burns them, causing evasion down, and IG88 or HK can ability block the entire team. Once that ability block is on them, its over. Focus attacks on Zaul, and he'll be dead without ever making a move.

You know you have to multiply sith assassin her starting speed with 1,25 right? Because of the zMaul(L) bonus.

For example:
Sith assassin base speed (151) + speed from mods (100) * 1,25 = 314 starting speed
Jawa Engineer base speed (153) + speed form mods (100) + droid speed bonus (50) = 303 starting speed.

Conclusion: it will be hard for JE to outspeed a sith squad.

evanbio · May 5, 2017 4:39PM

Would SA be a benefit in a zVader team? There's not a lot of buffers there, but speed again is king. zVader, TFP, Boba, zSid, DN currently.

Maegor · May 5, 2017 4:48PM

evanbio wrote: »

Would SA be a benefit in a zVader team? There's not a lot of buffers there, but speed again is king. zVader, TFP, Boba, zSid, DN currently.

Yes. And if you find you need survivability use somebody like STrooper or GK as well. TFP and Boba would be the two to be replaced in that scenario.

TheChampionBum · May 5, 2017 8:51PM

Chewie_says_Aaarww wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Chewie_says_Aaarww wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Jedi_Reach_ wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

My gosh this bandwagon nonsense

Lol hey R2 is a great toon. Just yesterday I took out a zaul team with GK and managed to beat them with my droid team taking out Nebit and using R2 in his place. Before then, I had never taken out a zaul team without losing any of my toons. Its not nonsense, its happening. You should adjust your team comp.

On offence, Maul is still superior. With sith assassin, they will go first. This is what makes them great, even without dodge.

I don't know about that. Base speed considering, JE and R2 are both faster than SA. Mod them to be quick enough and the entire droid team will attack before SA makes a move. R2 burns them, causing evasion down, and IG88 or HK can ability block the entire team. Once that ability block is on them, its over. Focus attacks on Zaul, and he'll be dead without ever making a move.

You know you have to multiply sith assassin her starting speed with 1,25 right? Because of the zMaul(L) bonus.

For example:
Sith assassin base speed (151) + speed from mods (100) * 1,25 = 314 starting speed
Jawa Engineer base speed (153) + speed form mods (100) + droid speed bonus (50) = 303 starting speed.

Conclusion: it will be hard for JE to outspeed a sith squad.

Completely forgot about Zaul's speed boost. I guess I just haven't faced any SA's yet that's been faster than my JE. Good thing to keep in mind.

Jedi_Reach_ · May 5, 2017 9:15PM

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Jedi_Reach_ wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

My gosh this bandwagon nonsense

Lol hey R2 is a great toon. Just yesterday I took out a zaul team with GK and managed to beat them with my droid team taking out Nebit and using R2 in his place. Before then, I had never taken out a zaul team without losing any of my toons. Its not nonsense, its happening. You should adjust your team comp.

That doesn't mean Zaul is dead, it just means there are more teams to the mix. Again, bandwagon nonsense.

Edit: Also you beat a Zaul team on your shard and automatically the entire Zaul comp across all shards is dead? Really dude?

Jedi_Reach_ · May 5, 2017 9:22PM

Chewie_says_Aaarww wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Chewie_says_Aaarww wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Jedi_Reach_ wrote: »

TheChampionBum wrote: »

Don't bother. The Maul meta is dead now that we'll be seeing R2 pop up in high tier arena teams knocking Maul down further than Rex triple cleanse teams did.

My gosh this bandwagon nonsense

Lol hey R2 is a great toon. Just yesterday I took out a zaul team with GK and managed to beat them with my droid team taking out Nebit and using R2 in his place. Before then, I had never taken out a zaul team without losing any of my toons. Its not nonsense, its happening. You should adjust your team comp.

On offence, Maul is still superior. With sith assassin, they will go first. This is what makes them great, even without dodge.

I don't know about that. Base speed considering, JE and R2 are both faster than SA. Mod them to be quick enough and the entire droid team will attack before SA makes a move. R2 burns them, causing evasion down, and IG88 or HK can ability block the entire team. Once that ability block is on them, its over. Focus attacks on Zaul, and he'll be dead without ever making a move.

You know you have to multiply sith assassin her starting speed with 1,25 right? Because of the zMaul(L) bonus.

For example:
Sith assassin base speed (151) + speed from mods (100) * 1,25 = 314 starting speed
Jawa Engineer base speed (153) + speed form mods (100) + droid speed bonus (50) = 303 starting speed.

Conclusion: it will be hard for JE to outspeed a sith squad.

Also this.

A fast SA (like mine) will always get the first go.

Shaunyvee · May 6, 2017 8:56AM

You don't need sith assassin.

Darth mauls zeta (the insta TM part) is GROSSLY GAME BREAKING OVERPOWERED AND UNNECESSARY.

You 'should' need SA, if fast enough she can make your entire team go first....

But you don't, because of the above.

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