CLS and Han are cool, but dial them back...
September 17, 2017 9:45PM
edited September 2017
I think think the devs mostly did a great job with the new hope events and reworks. But I think they overstepped on the strength on these two characters in particular. This isn't a complaint thread, just hear me out. @CG_Kozispoon
I like to see a balanced game. One that rewards the player for finding their own way, playing their favorited team, and striving to be smart about how to upgrade and use them. This should offer some level of success. For example, in July I saw the following team leaders at rank 1 in my fairly old arena shard (Feb 2016): Rex, Kenobi, Zaul, Phasma, Finn, Thrawn, Tarkin, Zader. I might be missing a couple but there are 8 or so viable teams that you could focus on and mod well to succeed. Nowadays, it's all CLS, with one Rex and one Kenobi still hanging on. The balance that they almost achieved was ruined! What about the people that bought into the new ewok reworks that were said to be "arena viable" by the devs? Do you think wickets little aoe is gonna help against a Luke lead?
I recommend a slight nerf to the new Rebels. I still want to see them at rank 1, but I want to see everything else there too. I feel like anyone who gives two sheets about the fun in this game probably agrees.
My ideas: Luke should either not stun on basic, or not inflict tenacity down and remove TM. Pick if he is a raid or an arena character. Also dial his damage to about 2/3 what it is, and remove/lower the self-heal. Han Solo's basic should be avoidable. Maybe it should not remove TM. The shoot first needs to ignore taunts (great job fixing this!) but that stun should have to go through a potency/tenacity check like every other stun in the game.
I like to see a balanced game. One that rewards the player for finding their own way, playing their favorited team, and striving to be smart about how to upgrade and use them. This should offer some level of success. For example, in July I saw the following team leaders at rank 1 in my fairly old arena shard (Feb 2016): Rex, Kenobi, Zaul, Phasma, Finn, Thrawn, Tarkin, Zader. I might be missing a couple but there are 8 or so viable teams that you could focus on and mod well to succeed. Nowadays, it's all CLS, with one Rex and one Kenobi still hanging on. The balance that they almost achieved was ruined! What about the people that bought into the new ewok reworks that were said to be "arena viable" by the devs? Do you think wickets little aoe is gonna help against a Luke lead?
I recommend a slight nerf to the new Rebels. I still want to see them at rank 1, but I want to see everything else there too. I feel like anyone who gives two sheets about the fun in this game probably agrees.
My ideas: Luke should either not stun on basic, or not inflict tenacity down and remove TM. Pick if he is a raid or an arena character. Also dial his damage to about 2/3 what it is, and remove/lower the self-heal. Han Solo's basic should be avoidable. Maybe it should not remove TM. The shoot first needs to ignore taunts (great job fixing this!) but that stun should have to go through a potency/tenacity check like every other stun in the game.
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Han Solo is simply perfect now. He is strong but not too strong. He does what he has to do. He is a squishy character that you can one shot with a wiggs combo, that's very balanced. I'm happier than ever to see him used in raids and arena.
Both are fine as they are!
Game is utterly broken, and it needs to be fixed, but we hear nothing. It's as if the devs simply don't understand there is a problem.
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Overall the character is just too good. There is nothing to counterbalance the great aspects of it. Vador has some great capabilities but they are counterbalanced by his less than stellar damage output when he is not using culling blade. Same with Palpatine, his powers are counterbalanced by his weak health pool, etc. Luke is great everywhere, he has no weakness. The devs just failed at basic game design with this character and now it's too late, the cat is out of the bag.
Totally agree, raid Han is squishy so he's fine but cls is way too strong. Characters that are great in the movie (Grievous, JKA, Yoda, even emperor definitely need to be a (little) better.
People claim this with EVERY meta team. They said it with Rey, they said it with Wedge 7 Biggs, and they said it with Baze/Chirut. For being completely broken, the game has moved on quite well.
It's a bit different though.
Every meta had its counters. Palatine/Vader were more countered by zMaul, which in turn could be effectively fought by triple cleanse.
Triple cleanse were quite good defensively, but could be overwhelmed in offense by a variety of teams, hence the arena diversity just before CLS. I don't know if the devs devised a way to counter CLS, but clearly the players haven't found it yet.
Squishy? Which Luke's are you going against lol. Mine has 65K protection + health (more than some tanks in this game)
I mean, he can easily be dealt with by other CLS teams hahahahaah. Any other team can't hold against a proper CLS team. CLS is the best character in the game and understandably so. I like it.
Yeah not really the same at all. Wiggs and Chaze made it to maybe 75% of top arena teams at the absolute most. Check out CLS. He is on 49/50 teams in my top arena. Basically the only people not using him are the people who don't have him yet; he's that OP. It's very close to game breaking for people who don't have him but of course that doesn't mean the actual game is suffering as a whole. Tons of people spent money to get him and that's what keeps the game going.
CLS understandably the best? This is crybaby Luke who lost a hand to Darth Vader... If it was RoTJ Luke I would agree with you.
Also, I don't think nerfing CLS is a wise decision
This exactly. CLS is, literally, everywhere.
I've lived through how many phases when it was literally all rex, zaul, chaze, wiggs, etc spamming the meta that CLS doesn't really feel that different. I like CLS more in that it opens up the game for many different combos like people running interesting Ackbar leads, or mixing up some GK teams etc. Problem I had with the other meta squads was how literally exact the comps were, whereas now it's CLS in various incarnations .. but unfortunately using him as a lead is a bit of an easy button ..
You need Raid Han - one stun and he is out of the game - I find CLS teams tough but Raid Han is a gamechanger