A viable BH team in Arena ? Perhaps even more than viable.
May 7, 2018 5:06PM
edited May 2018
Hi folks,
What you need :
- 24 Power Mods, with Speed/Power on secondaries.
- Boba, Greedo, Bossk, IG88, Vador.
What you do :
- Make Boba leads
- Give the BHs all the power mods
What happens :
- Vador starts, debuff the opposite team.
- All the BH instantly gets 75 speed.
- Opposite team gets -25% speed.
- Bossk gets to taunt before the opposite team takes a turn.
- Boba gets to AE lock first.
- Greedo can dispell the tank.
- Vador can greatly damage the contrat target which can be finished off by the next BH to play.
- Contract fullfilled means your Bossk is now practically impossible to shot down (90k HP/ 80K protec that regenerate both 50% per BH turn) ***EDIT: The game has a translation mistakes in my language / Bossk remains very tanky Regenerating 50% HP when he taunts though.
Potential counters/problems :
- Zolo can shut down Vador before the start
- Another faster Vador can disrupt your play
- Thrawn lead will be hard to beat
Strong points :
- Your team has a lot of HP (60-90k)
- Your entire team gets really fast
- The contract is much easier to fullfil and makes Bossk a beast
Final thoughts :
From my point of view this makes the BH team quite viable, perhaps not meta but that can beat a lot of other teams with the right setup.
Obviously this team is not without flaws and it's possible that I am wrong since I don't have a good BH team yet (Have them all G9-11) to test out.
I am open to suggestions or feel free to tell me if I am mistaken somewhere.
Thanks for reading, this is mostly food for thoughts.
What you need :
- 24 Power Mods, with Speed/Power on secondaries.
- Boba, Greedo, Bossk, IG88, Vador.
What you do :
- Make Boba leads
- Give the BHs all the power mods
What happens :
- Vador starts, debuff the opposite team.
- All the BH instantly gets 75 speed.
- Opposite team gets -25% speed.
- Bossk gets to taunt before the opposite team takes a turn.
- Boba gets to AE lock first.
- Greedo can dispell the tank.
- Vador can greatly damage the contrat target which can be finished off by the next BH to play.
- Contract fullfilled means your Bossk is now practically impossible to shot down (90k HP/ 80K protec that regenerate both 50% per BH turn) ***EDIT: The game has a translation mistakes in my language / Bossk remains very tanky Regenerating 50% HP when he taunts though.
Potential counters/problems :
- Zolo can shut down Vador before the start
- Another faster Vador can disrupt your play
- Thrawn lead will be hard to beat
Strong points :
- Your team has a lot of HP (60-90k)
- Your entire team gets really fast
- The contract is much easier to fullfil and makes Bossk a beast
Final thoughts :
From my point of view this makes the BH team quite viable, perhaps not meta but that can beat a lot of other teams with the right setup.
Obviously this team is not without flaws and it's possible that I am wrong since I don't have a good BH team yet (Have them all G9-11) to test out.
I am open to suggestions or feel free to tell me if I am mistaken somewhere.
Thanks for reading, this is mostly food for thoughts.
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Wow they poorly worded that skill in my language. It literally reads Bossk regenerate 50% HP/Protection when another BH takes a turn. I had to check it in English and you are right.
Still Bossk is quite tanky with 90k HP and regenerating 50% of it when he taunts. Not as amazing as I first thought however.
Yes the 50% heal when he taunts is nice, but that is a HUGE discrepancy, in translation error!
Indeed, I am so disappointed haha.
https://imgur.com/j5WjYGO
When contract is completed : 50% regeneration when another BH takes a turn.
Even at 3* he allowed me to complete the Rebel and Rolo event where my team could not come close before. At g8 3* he has 35k EHP and 180 speed.
Edit: And actually its Health AND Protection so its 30% EHP per round.
Good points.
That's indeed still lot of HP/protec on top of his own taunt regeneration.
Yes, this is so weird.
Here's the picture :
https://imgur.com/a/Cfgv1rr
It says
Completed contract : 50% regeneration when another BH takes a turn.
Experience limited to the contract event, could be due to the death trooper dispel
My low geared Bossk sits at 195 speed with poor mods, with Boba lead it goes at 270 speed when all enemies are debuffed, on top of that Frenzy will give him tons of extra turns for taunting and using his ability.
It's a lot of opportunities to maintain taunts especially since he cleanse himself when doing so.
I am not doing arenas with BH yet but on others modes it's pretty good so far.
MY assessment of BH in arena is that they might work on offense. But unless the AI prioritizes the contract actions, the AI will not complete the contract till the fight is basically over. (I.E. any fight where the AI completes the contract, it would have won without the contract).
Boba's leadership zeta is pretty good, if you have all bounty hunters with full potency.
Yeah he would definitely not be as fast as in a sith team but he also gain speed from enemies too so with the current state of the game featuring many siths, rebels and some empire/jedi (mostly kenobi there) he'd still get a good speed boost.
If he is fast enough from his mods that can certainly make him start against a lot of teams.
By itself IG88 harmonizes well with Mother Talzin - pretty decent combination actually.
+KRU (162 speed - vader got 121+4*8+emperor 8 = 161) - outrun him and stun
+Phasma (151 speed with kru, just need to outrun now oppsite Vader) -> your team will be now first
+Nihilus
+IG88
+Mother
Dot up, IG88 blocks heal, nihilus increases cooldowns
After that its about finishing them
Vader counts himself too so Vader Speed is 121+56=177. Given similar mods, KRU is not going to outspeed Vader.
NS, JTR will outspeed you.
Zolo can shut you down.
IMO "viable"has a different meaning. BH are about as viable as murderbears - sure they can win some teams on offense, but not all.
If thats the case - the in-game description of Vader's unique is incorrect. Written as each empire or sith ally gives a tempo boost. Which certainly is not you by your own. Need to send a bug report if you are 100% sure about this.
Sorry but you are mistaken. It is 100% correct and working as intended. It has been clarified by Devs too.
Each Ally counts every Squad Member including the one with the ability.
Other Ally counts every other Squad Member excluding the one with the ability.
So for example Wedge gains 45 speed, not 36 speed.
Thanks for clarification!
However it should be respelled as every member of the group - or another way. Its not like that my right/left hand are my own friends/allies - even if they are helpful (black humour).
At least there is consistency in the wording so far, I really wouldn’t bother to redefine it in a different way unless it is inconsistent.
You make some good points. By Viable I mean they can be used fairly properly and wins the right match ups but they may not beat the meta indeed.
How would NS outspeed this though? The BH team only seem to struggle against teams that gains TM when debuffed as far as I can tell.
I can't speak about Traya though there isn't any in my shard.
This is your biggest issue with that team. you wont go first often enough in the current "meta".
One big thing that drives the meta is how well it does on defense and this team will get rocked on defense by almost half of the teams "out there" (according to swgoh.gg)
And this results in being in top 20, after you left 24h ago - which is sweet when you just need to do 2 (daily minimum) till 3 matches + 1 to block your reward those last 5 mins
Yes that is something I acknowledged in my opening post, another Vador will outrun him though I was mistaken only sith/empire allies count, not enemies thanks for correcting me. Vador will only gain 16 speed from himself if anything and will be mostly efficient against jedi/rebels.
That really put a strikes to my thinking.
Good point about Talzin. I'd like to see Probe/Talzin/IG88 in the same team.
Well at this point this is no longer a BH team, I'm going to have to find a better way to make them work.
Someone mentionned Zolo which I can see working fairly well but then a Zolo in any team garanties the starting round except against others Zolo anyway, I'd like to see some alternatives to it.
Well before the Palpatine/Vador rework I was hitting the top 5-20 spot with a Palpatine/Empire squad despite everyone saying they were terrible and CLS/JTR were rocking the top 50 (they were much stronger before the rework in fact).
So just because lots of people fails to use the BHs right now doesn't mean there isn't a way to make them work with a bit of creativity.
I hear your argument and it is a sound one, I am just trying to see if we can explore options and find a way.
Thanks for that chart!
Ironically my current team does extremely well against the meta especially because the Zalp/Vador teams IA reacts so bad.
But yeah we need a way to apply an AOE debuff first for the BHs to beat consistently the meta.
Not sure if I can find something else right now.
However, this increases speed, not turn meter. So even if you are able to land the DoTs it's likely that Vader goes next, lands his DoTs, throws the saber, then the entire enemy team goes (even with your improved speed). This is all assuming you don't have an enemy Sion that allows Nihilus to go as well as someone else mentioned...
You may actually be better off running GK in the fifth slot and just trying to tank your way through the fight until Boba can land some nasty Executes.
Yeah, they would be a good secondary team to have floating around, as that team could counter some others fairly well, but you also have to be careful of JTR and R2, and the times you dont AB rex.... so they will have a not so great win ratio even on offense, so yeah....