Brainstorming counters to bastilla lead
The point of this discussion is to brainstorm counters to bastilla lead. I run ep lead in arena and am looking for possible teams to take out a bastilla team in arena if no good options to go around are available. A few ground rules.
1. Not a place to whine that it needs nerfed. That is not the point of this post.
2. Don't just say Traya lead. If I had Traya or was close, then that would have been mentioned.
3. The point is to share what current teams may work best that I may not have leveled to the point to test myself. For example I don't have a g12 ns or jtr team since I have focused on ep lead for arena.
4. This will help to get an idea of how balanced arena is going to be in the near future. If there are teams that beat bastilla that are beatable by ep lead then it is more balanced than if tge only teams that beat it are traya lead.
1. Not a place to whine that it needs nerfed. That is not the point of this post.
2. Don't just say Traya lead. If I had Traya or was close, then that would have been mentioned.
3. The point is to share what current teams may work best that I may not have leveled to the point to test myself. For example I don't have a g12 ns or jtr team since I have focused on ep lead for arena.
4. This will help to get an idea of how balanced arena is going to be in the near future. If there are teams that beat bastilla that are beatable by ep lead then it is more balanced than if tge only teams that beat it are traya lead.
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Boba on almost any team.
Bossk lead BH would stay topped off until the Jedi lose their protection.
Best way to beat teams with synergy is to throw as many OP toons in your team as possible.... Titan's/CLS rebels probably makes good work of it. The team doesn't have any source of Daze so counter attacks from high DPS targets should be devastating. Yoda's gonna take a ton of turns and hit the rebels constantly, CLS will get a ton of TM from his unique that way. Baze gets TM when enemy's gain buffs, so he'd probably be rather useful. CLS/Han/Chaze/R2 can probably beat it.
Rex lead w/ Wampa and friends should also work well.
I've heard JTR's mind trick stop's basita's buff train before it begins
As long as I'm not lowballing the damage they put out. Hide the Nihilus teams probably work too. From that logic, building around toons with ever increasing damage (FOE/FOX, Young Han) till they absolutely tear the enemy apart could be interesting
Like people said taking CLS with his 50% defense and counter chance sounds great. CLS, Rhan, Chaze ( dispell and heals), +1. Be careful of using r2 and giving Yoda stealth, but Jedi aren't debuff heavy (outside of Old Ben and Aayla, right?) so the cleanse on crit shouldn't be important. +1 is prolly GK or Thrawn or Nest or Wampa or Hoda or any other plug toon. It'd be funny to see SiM become immortal because of all those buffs, but he doesn't have much for offense, soooo pass.
I don't think there is a single team doesn't hate getting hit by aoe daze
Hopefully HK will get reworked, join T3M4 and crush Jedi beneath their boot.
Edit-Is EP lead really stopped flat by Bastila? I know that tenacity makes it harder to rely on debuffs, but they do have some potency, and Sion's cleanse (which can't be timed on defense, I guess). Maybe call Tarkin down from the fleet?
I've tried ep lead a couple of times and nothing sticks. Can't land shock. Ocassionally get a pain but not often. Sion does get to use his aoe a kot due to pain not sticking so he woukd be a good dispeller on a team. The problem is that with the added protection, the team I face has 70 or 80k of protection to get through. And the jedi really do hit that much harder now. They take nihilas out in like 2 hits so not much chance of getting to anhilate. Sion doesn't act as much of a tank since there's no pain landing. No mass stuns going around. You dispel with sion and in a turn they have the buffs again. It just doesn't go well. Though to be fair this is a g12 7 star everyone but bastilla. The others are hermit, gmy, ezra, and gk. And based on the speeds pretty well modded. So some teams may be easier. But it is annoying when the only choice you have is a bastilla team or a handful of traya teams that are faster than you. I get closer against the trayas. I did sub palp out for fett and got at least one good hit in under vader lead but still wasn't enough.
that's good to hear. I have jtr g12. Probably don't have enough to go with it to run it in arena but if it can beat the new "meta" it may make it where I see more jtr and lesd traya and bastilla. At least enough to leapfrog on offense hopefully.
I've been brainstorming and I'm excited that maul may become a real Bastilla counter for the sith (a side from traya ofcourse). I think traya will end up being countered by Revan.
I love that the jedi are evening things out against the sith.
Now I just wish cg would fix the wording of jolee's healing ability so it works with kenobi
Yoda can steal stealth, but he can't spread it, so R2 won't be too much of a hindrance, and his zetas are just too good in that rebel lineup.
20% Tm boost at the beginning
Ignore protection with SA, then Overpower with Savage
Darth Sidious Dodge rate vs Jedi + DM lead Dodge rate is gonna feed TM and make them go crazy
Old meta > New meta
There is a bastilla team in my shard at 2 so will try it tonight
Sorry but I have 0 sympathy for Palpatine players.
A little tenacity makes it harder to rely on debuffs. Bastilla is giving enough to make the Jedi almost impervious for the first 2-3 min of battle. EP lead is total garbage against her.
Just so you know where I'm coming from when I say that, I run EP lead, Thrawn (at almost 300 speed depending on where I move my best mods), Nihilus, Sion, and Treya. All have fast mods. The first two times I fought Bastilla lead my Treya was dead without getting a turn. Not a problem though. I can alter my lineup to deal with it, but not in a way that would help the OP since I use Treya.
Youre free to think however you like, but just to give you some perspective, I thought Id enlighten you that many people actually play palpa vader because they love those chars. Heck theyre pretty much the strongest duo in the whole movie series and **** to the bone. They havr also been unusable for thr past 2 years, so I think these players deserve to feel good and be happy they can run their favorite characters in the arena.
More on the topic, I actually think palpa teams are still great, even with the jedi rising, just needs a little bit of change, either to put traya lead or get some buff removal or buff immunity characters. And perhaps a zeta on DN so that jolee cant revive at least the annhilated ones.
This is:
a) irrelevant. The OP is clearly not crying that EP is no longer a guaranteed win, he/she is looking for suggestions for building multiple viable squads, exactly what you have criticised him/her for not having.
b) untrue. You're forgetting about newer shards. Nobody on my shard has more than 2-3 well-geared teams.
The most readily available team I can think of is Titans/CLS rebels for the same reason as someone above suggested - counters by multiple hard hitters, CLS has buff immunity and tenacity down, Baze has dispel. I'm focusing on HSR teams atm because I don't think many in my shard are planning to run Bastila but if she does start cropping up that's where I'd focus my first efforts.
Discord: Iona Starbound#5299
DN already has an omega upgrade that prevents revives for characters that were annihilated.
I run zGMY on a different account and, while I can't wait to get the Zeta on Bastila's lead, he doesn't have much problem with EP leads, even with Traya in the mix. I would imagine a Traya lead would pose a lot more problems, but seemingly everyone in the top 20 is currently running her behind EP, probably because of the high number of EP leads around.
Can't wait for mod management to be a real thing so that it gets less time consuming to change teams based on matchups. I have the toons and gear to run JTR to counter whatever I need to, but I haven't because I don't have the time to swap out three or four sets of mods between matches.
Sorry just pointing out the irony that this is coming from a Palpa Lead with no other teams in his roster, he wasn't pointing out how OP and unfair this meta has been and that 90% of swgoh players are running Palpa.
So sorry that I'm enjoying tasting your sweet palpa tears.
In the name of the galactic senate, you're under arrest
I run a Bastilla lead and just wrecked a BH team not that long ago...that was on offense though
Yep.... Danger zone or first order..... Pick them off selectively.....
Kill order was focus down OB as fast as you can, opportunistically take shots at GMY when available - he's still very fragile and if he's left open when Han has his special available it can be easy to clean up. Then GK, GMY if he's still around, Fulcrum and Bastila last.
On another account a GMY lead with zEzra, zHoda, GK and Thrawn beat her pretty easily - but there was a decent size gear differential
The point of this post isn't whinning because I don't take first. The bastilla team i mentioned isn't in first but it does seem to hold decent on defense. The point was clearly in the title. To brainstorm teams that work well against a new team. I'm fine with expanding my roster to stay in the upper end of arena but being ftp, I like to have more information before deciding what to focus on. With building raid teams simultaneously I don't have time for bringing a character up to g12 just to find out that it doesn't work like I thought.
That is a good point. Who are your fourth and 5th. I have jtr uo to g12 for the raid. My gk needs work but already use thrawn in arena. Though I may be able to sub sion in. He probably wouldn't taunt much but woukd dispel a lot.
Exactly. I am looking forward to being able to quickly switch my fastest mods
It was a 140 position battle but I got the feeling that at any position it will happen with a 4* Bastila. She can not survive Talzin multi attack and Ventress unbuffed everybody.