Bug in p3 sith raid
My han didnt go first pretty much every time. Sabres all went first.
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As far as I’m aware, that shouldn’t matter. Han’s ability should make him first no matter what.
Apparently RHan gets 100% TM at start of the battle - thats why with 2 rhans the fastest goes first and can stun the other rhan. If any other character got 100% TM he can also act before him (matters on speed, or rng).
Nope. Happened to me in other instances as well (like transiting from one wave to the next), if someone else has 100% tm, it's the same old dice roll.
That's how he gets the bonus turn.
I understand the mechanics but that defeats the purpose of a bonus turn, not to mention defeats the spirit of the ability. A bonus turn implies that it’s a turn that takes place outside of the normal TM mechanics.
When CLS uses Call to Action, it says “gains 100%TM” and not “takes a bonus turn.” GMY’s Masterstroke says bonus turn, and I’ve never seen that turn not happen immediately. Although I am aware that could just be confirmation bias from my experience.
On a side note - Chex Mix should be the first squad you send into Sith Raid p3 (at least on Heroic). The relative timing of the speeds is optimized for the sabers and Traya starting at 0% turn meter.
I’m arguing the concept of the ability. The fact that somebody could go before Han’s Shoots First ability betrays the concept.
The statment of the ability is that he gets a bonus turn. This is a free 100% TM. There is nothing in the description of how the ability works that would make him go first.
I respectfully disagree, the wording of the ability heavily implies that Han should shoot first. What draws me to this conclusion? 'Shoots First'...
As mentioned above there are situations where characters can immediately take another turn, eg GMY - that ability doesn't give 100% TM, it gives an immediate turn. It's clearly possible for the devs to code this, but I suspect that this and other abilities (eg GAT's TM swap) were designed before TM mechanics like we have with zPalp were a thing so the devs didn't have to worry about multiple characters reaching 100% at the same time.
Discord: Iona Starbound#5299
“Shoots First.”
Like I said, I’m aware of the TM mechanics.
But with GMY, it’s an immediate bonus turn, I’ve never seen it happen otherwise. Yoda hits with Masterstroke, goes immediately again. Other toons that get 100% TM after an ability (like Call to Action), the ability description says “gains 100%TM,” and not a bonus turn.
The *concept* of the ability is that Han shoots first, not that it’s left up to RNG to decide if Shoots First is actually Shoots Second (or third, or fourth), which is what other abilities that have the description of “gains 100%TM” do. “Bonus turn” implies that it’s a turn outside the normal TM mechanics, as indicated by other 100%TM gain abilities that don’t specifically say Bonus Turn.
Yoda does get 100% TM, look at the TM bar after using his AoE, it fills back up.
It is literally called "Shoots First"
I really don't know how you missed that.
I know Yoda gets 100%TM, but it’s not subject to the RNG roll to compete with others at 100%. The ability reads “gains an immediate bonus turn,” which is what he does. Other similar abilities specify that the toon gains 100%TM (Call to Action) that are subject to the RNG roll. Han’s ability reads “takes a bonus turn,” thus it should make it act like GMY’s bonus turn. Otherwise it would state “Han starts with 100% turn meter.”
All that aside, it’s called Shoots First, not “Possibly Shoots First.” It’s pretty clear what the intention was supposed to be.