Will The Separatist Rework Be Meta Defying?

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  • Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.
  • Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.
    Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.
  • Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.

    There was certainly a lot of EU garbage: anything with the Vong, the crystal star, the sun crusher.

    That said, stuff like the original Thrawn trilogy, the Xwing series, and even far in the future stuff like Legacy are infinitely better than the garbage plot lines we got from Disney.

    The TLJ was an entertaining movie, but it and TFA failed miserably at creating cohesive plot-lines and logical, interesting world building.
  • Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.
    Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.

    Must suck to be you if you couldn't enjoy a genuinely beautiful movie that had at the very minimum excellent acting and a great storyline focused on Rey/Luke/Kylo. The rest was just filler but comparing that filler to AOTC and saying TLJ is worse is objectively incorrect.
  • Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.

    There was certainly a lot of EU garbage: anything with the Vong, the crystal star, the sun crusher.

    That said, stuff like the original Thrawn trilogy, the Xwing series, and even far in the future stuff like Legacy are infinitely better than the garbage plot lines we got from Disney.

    The TLJ was an entertaining movie, but it and TFA failed miserably at creating cohesive plot-lines and logical, interesting world building.

    For every Thrawn we had multiple Vong though. And I wouldn't say either failed, they just didn't focus on it because we've already had 40 years of world building. Especially when the biggest criticism of the prequels was that all it was was world building without being entertaining or having interesting characters.
  • Droideka wrote: »
    Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.

    There were good parts of TLJ... Example:

    "No one is ever really gone..."

    still breaks my **** heart every time I hear it.


  • Ephran wrote: »
    Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.
    Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.

    Must suck to be you if you couldn't enjoy a genuinely beautiful movie that had at the very minimum excellent acting and a great storyline focused on Rey/Luke/Kylo. The rest was just filler but comparing that filler to AOTC and saying TLJ is worse is objectively incorrect.

    If it was a genuinely beautiful movie, how come it has a 45% on rotten tomatoes?
  • Kokie
    1096 posts Member
    Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.
    Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.

    Must suck to be you if you couldn't enjoy a genuinely beautiful movie that had at the very minimum excellent acting and a great storyline focused on Rey/Luke/Kylo. The rest was just filler but comparing that filler to AOTC and saying TLJ is worse is objectively incorrect.

    If it was a genuinely beautiful movie, how come it has a 45% on rotten tomatoes?

    Because it was terrible
  • Ephran wrote: »
    Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.
    Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.

    Must suck to be you if you couldn't enjoy a genuinely beautiful movie that had at the very minimum excellent acting and a great storyline focused on Rey/Luke/Kylo. The rest was just filler but comparing that filler to AOTC and saying TLJ is worse is objectively incorrect.

    No one ever said AOTC was overall better than TLJ. It’s just that AOTC has some things that people want to go back and see. The fight scenes were amazing, and.... well that’s it pretty much. TLJ has plenty of dumb, boring, and pointless stuff in it, but has no silver lining to look back on. The fight scenes are terribly coriagraphed, the character motivations outside of kylo ren make no sense, and all of the things tying the series back to the OT are dead by the end of the movie or are ignored. If people are too blind to see the flaws in this movie then there’s nothing we can do to help them.
  • VonZant
    3721 posts Member
    edited February 7
    The opening space battle was ok and throne room fight scene was fun. As was Luke Tanking the entire First Order like a Boss. I thought both Holdo and Rose were fine, although I know I'm in the minority.

    Rest was pretty bad. I still dont get the whole casino thing. I literally just dont even know how someone decided that part was ok to release. It literally had no point.

    My kids didnt even like it and they like anything with "poo" or "fart" remotely associated with it.
  • VonZant wrote: »
    The opening space battle was ok and throne room fight scene was fun. As was Luke Tanking the entire First Order like a Boss. I thought both Holdo and Rose were fine, although I know I'm in the minority.

    Rest was pretty bad. I still dont get the whole casino thing. I literally just dont even know how someone decided that part was ok to release. It literally had no point.

    My kids didnt even like it and they like anything with "poo" or "fart" remotely associated with it.
    The whole Luke vs Kylo thing was cool, but it could have been made better and actually made sense. It got us all hyped for the first and only lightsaber duel in the entire movie, then they take it away. Then they add insult to injury and just have Luke peace out at the end. If they were going to have Luke die immediately after, there was no reason for Luke to just actually be there and fight Kylo.
  • Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.
    Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.

    Must suck to be you if you couldn't enjoy a genuinely beautiful movie that had at the very minimum excellent acting and a great storyline focused on Rey/Luke/Kylo. The rest was just filler but comparing that filler to AOTC and saying TLJ is worse is objectively incorrect.

    If it was a genuinely beautiful movie, how come it has a 45% on rotten tomatoes?

    Because people are sheep. Case in point, the steaming pile of garbage that is “The Wrestler” has a 98% because everyone was told Mickey Rourke did a marvelous acting job, when in fact he was just being himself. Then again maybe everyone just upvotes it due to the Marissa Tomei nudity?
  • Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.
    Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.

    Must suck to be you if you couldn't enjoy a genuinely beautiful movie that had at the very minimum excellent acting and a great storyline focused on Rey/Luke/Kylo. The rest was just filler but comparing that filler to AOTC and saying TLJ is worse is objectively incorrect.

    If it was a genuinely beautiful movie, how come it has a 45% on rotten tomatoes?

    Because people are sheep. Case in point, the steaming pile of garbage that is “The Wrestler” has a 98% because everyone was told Mickey Rourke did a marvelous acting job, when in fact he was just being himself. Then again maybe everyone just upvotes it due to the Marissa Tomei nudity?

    Not sure if you know who the “sheep” are in this situation. I thought the movie was bad before I read a single review or saw the audience score on rotten tomatoes. I did see the critic score (a 94% I think) but I don’t judge how much I like or dislike a movie based on a number.
  • KueChael
    781 posts Moderator
    Stay on target! :) (I’m not a fan of TLJ story but that is a subject for a different post)

    Is GG / Separatist gonna be meta? Possibly, don’t know his kit. There’s hope he stifles the Jedi.
  • No_Try
    3405 posts Member
    Alijar1 wrote: »
    Personally, so long as Grievous can counter Revan/Bastilla
    That would be an absolute nonsense.
    Grievous should counter Nightsisters, as he actually did in canon. But NOT the squad with toughest Jedi of all time.
    Typical JKR teams does include GMY and/or GK. GK was a canon hardcounter for GG, and GMY is even stronger as a Jedi.
    There are a number of people around who bothered farming 11 toons (one of them from HAAT Raid) to assemble a team with two legendaries and one raid toon.
    You never did that.
    Because, ugh, why bother if one day you can simply step forward and say "Alright, they've had it for long enough, now devs pls make these easy-peasy obtainable toons stomp that cool raid/legendaries like Mac Truck, and I'll be happy, and btw I don't care it's against canon".
    Great way of thinking, dude.

    Do you have insight into history of metas in this game? It hasn't been the hardest to get team always is at the top.
  • Darth_DeVito
    677 posts Member
    edited February 7
    [*] General Grievous, a cyborg that got pretty much soloed by a single jedi in canon... As a counter for a best jedi there is?

    Not by just any Jedi but by Obi-Wan, the Jedi Master who bested the chosen one. Besides, the prequels don't do Grievous justice. He was a veritable Jedi killing machine in the 2003 Clone Wars series and also seemed pretty capable in the 3D-animated show from 2008.
  • [*] Actually, if droids were so good then why would good old Palps need Vader to bring Jedi Order down?

    Palpatine needed the public and the Senate to believe that the Separatist army had been defeated by the Galactic Republic, which was about to become the Galactic Empire. Plus, the droid factories on Geonosis had been destroyed in the war and the population was later wiped out by the Empire in order to keep the Death Star secret.

  • Yes, this faction definitely looks like it's going to be part of the meta. Well have to wait, and see what mechanics the droideka, magnaguard, and reworked grievous brings. But because Revans abilities were so micro adjusted to counter every major character and mechanic in the game (super obnoxious); its hard to imagine a faction without stealth or revives countering the revan lead jedi.
  • Nauros
    2671 posts Member
    Ninjah9 wrote: »
    Yes, this faction definitely looks like it's going to be part of the meta. Well have to wait, and see what mechanics the droideka, magnaguard, and reworked grievous brings. But because Revans abilities were so micro adjusted to counter every major character and mechanic in the game (super obnoxious); its hard to imagine a faction without stealth or revives countering the revan lead jedi.

    So far, Revan still completely destroys B1 with mass assists. B2 might be a bit troublesome with its buff control, but far from a hard counter. It all depends on what the other reworks and additions bring to the table.
    Revive the stores, the game needs it.
  • Kyno
    21054 posts Moderator
    Kyno wrote: »
    This is a strong maybe. As always the next meta has less to do with what the current meta is than how well they will do on defense.

    It's almost without doubt they will have some aspects of their kits built to counter revan. So at a minimum we will get another option in arena and a viable counter elsewhere

    I am getting less confident about this, now that we are starting to see kits. Unless GG or droideka have some crazy kits, I just dont see droids hanging around top arena spots.

    They are relying too much on TM gain and debuffs. There is a reason palp lead went to the wayside.
  • Nauros
    2671 posts Member
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    This is a strong maybe. As always the next meta has less to do with what the current meta is than how well they will do on defense.

    It's almost without doubt they will have some aspects of their kits built to counter revan. So at a minimum we will get another option in arena and a viable counter elsewhere

    I am getting less confident about this, now that we are starting to see kits. Unless GG or droideka have some crazy kits, I just dont see droids hanging around top arena spots.

    They are relying too much on TM gain and debuffs. There is a reason palp lead went to the wayside.

    That reason is Bastila and she isn't used as a leader anymore, B2 can dispel Revan's tenacity up and get it running. But yeah, that alone isn't enough to make them viable.
    Revive the stores, the game needs it.
  • leef
    12604 posts Member
    Nauros wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    This is a strong maybe. As always the next meta has less to do with what the current meta is than how well they will do on defense.

    It's almost without doubt they will have some aspects of their kits built to counter revan. So at a minimum we will get another option in arena and a viable counter elsewhere

    I am getting less confident about this, now that we are starting to see kits. Unless GG or droideka have some crazy kits, I just dont see droids hanging around top arena spots.

    They are relying too much on TM gain and debuffs. There is a reason palp lead went to the wayside.

    That reason is Bastila and she isn't used as a leader anymore, B2 can dispel Revan's tenacity up and get it running. But yeah, that alone isn't enough to make them viable.

    Magna and grievous rework, plus the droideka release are still to come. I'm not writing off the droids just yet. They're of to a good start with b1 & b2 imo. Hopefully it all comes together with those last 3 to atleast make the viable.
    Save water, drink champagne!
  • We know that Magnaguard & Grievous each have 1 new ability (or reanimated abilities), so those should shake things up a bit. Combine what I assume to be a tanky leader with B1's assists and you also have a very survivable team - even at 3 stars B1 will still have 1 health so it can be used from almost the get-go
    #MakeTuskensGreat
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  • Nauros
    2671 posts Member
    Alijar1 wrote: »
    We know that Magnaguard & Grievous each have 1 new ability (or reanimated abilities), so those should shake things up a bit. Combine what I assume to be a tanky leader with B1's assists and you also have a very survivable team - even at 3 stars B1 will still have 1 health so it can be used from almost the get-go

    My thoughts exactly - B1 has 1HP anyway and the regen depends on the leader, so it will work at low star as well. If the Droideka isn't absolutely necessary at 7*, we are potentially looking at a rather ftp-friendly meta-changing team. Provided that the GG and Magna rework delivers, of course.
    Revive the stores, the game needs it.
  • Kyno
    21054 posts Moderator
    Nauros wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    This is a strong maybe. As always the next meta has less to do with what the current meta is than how well they will do on defense.

    It's almost without doubt they will have some aspects of their kits built to counter revan. So at a minimum we will get another option in arena and a viable counter elsewhere

    I am getting less confident about this, now that we are starting to see kits. Unless GG or droideka have some crazy kits, I just dont see droids hanging around top arena spots.

    They are relying too much on TM gain and debuffs. There is a reason palp lead went to the wayside.

    That reason is Bastila and she isn't used as a leader anymore, B2 can dispel Revan's tenacity up and get it running. But yeah, that alone isn't enough to make them viable.

    Tenacity up and a lot of cleansing is the reason he never came back around with revan too.

    Seeing the same issues here for the droids. Yeah, just not as hopeful as I was before.
  • Nauros
    2671 posts Member
    edited February 7
    Kyno wrote: »
    Nauros wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    This is a strong maybe. As always the next meta has less to do with what the current meta is than how well they will do on defense.

    It's almost without doubt they will have some aspects of their kits built to counter revan. So at a minimum we will get another option in arena and a viable counter elsewhere

    I am getting less confident about this, now that we are starting to see kits. Unless GG or droideka have some crazy kits, I just dont see droids hanging around top arena spots.

    They are relying too much on TM gain and debuffs. There is a reason palp lead went to the wayside.

    That reason is Bastila and she isn't used as a leader anymore, B2 can dispel Revan's tenacity up and get it running. But yeah, that alone isn't enough to make them viable.

    Tenacity up and a lot of cleansing is the reason he never came back around with revan too.

    Seeing the same issues here for the droids. Yeah, just not as hopeful as I was before.
    B2 provides arguably better dispel than Sion, though. While it can be evaded, it has lower base cooldown with the possibility of further reduction and buff immunity on top, so I don't see ten up being much of a problem.
    Revive the stores, the game needs it.
  • Georgemi6 wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Droideka wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Ephran wrote: »
    Kokie wrote: »
    Yeah time to make Revan disappear......a second rate character who doesnt hold a candle to Yoda or Kenobi needs to go away. Plus I feel like I'm going blind when I enter arena and see nothing but a white robed cult leader in every single spot

    Um, he kinda single handedly won the entire sith vs republic war. (in addition to winning the Mandalorian war)
    Did yoda do that? Kenobi? If my memory serves, they were both present and helpless when the sith took over the galaxy..

    Seeing as, in canon, we don't know anything about those wars, he didn't do that either.

    Screw canon. That gave us TLJ.

    It also got rid of all the garbage from the EU. Also TLJ was good. It had dumb parts but literally every single Star Wars film has had worse.
    Difference is, the other films also had good parts. TLJ did not have any of those.

    Must suck to be you if you couldn't enjoy a genuinely beautiful movie that had at the very minimum excellent acting and a great storyline focused on Rey/Luke/Kylo. The rest was just filler but comparing that filler to AOTC and saying TLJ is worse is objectively incorrect.

    No one ever said AOTC was overall better than TLJ. It’s just that AOTC has some things that people want to go back and see. The fight scenes were amazing, and.... well that’s it pretty much. TLJ has plenty of dumb, boring, and pointless stuff in it, but has no silver lining to look back on. The fight scenes are terribly coriagraphed, the character motivations outside of kylo ren make no sense, and all of the things tying the series back to the OT are dead by the end of the movie or are ignored. If people are too blind to see the flaws in this movie then there’s nothing we can do to help them.

    Except you are saying that AOTC has a reason to watch it thus you are saying it's overall better. The throne room scene was fantastic, Holdo's suicide run was stunning and everything with Kylo/Rey/Luke was at the very least entertaining. Yes, the Resistance third of the movie was dull, but that doesn't mean all of it is, which, in case you can't tell, I'm saying the movie has flaws. I've said the movie has flaws. The only blind people here are the people who say it has no redeeming qualities.
  • [*] General Grievous, a cyborg that got pretty much soloed by a single jedi in canon... As a counter for a best jedi there is?

    Not by just any Jedi but by Obi-Wan, the Jedi Master who bested the chosen one. Besides, the prequels don't do Grievous justice. He was a veritable Jedi killing machine in the 2003 Clone Wars series and also seemed pretty capable in the 3D-animated show from 2008.

    In both shows Dooku says that Grievous is no match for a Jedi head to head and that he needs to use fear and intimidation tactics to even the match. In 2003 we only saw his fights after thoroughly intimidating his opponents, in the movies and the '08 show we see a lot of times when he's up against Kenobi, who doesn't afraid of anything.
  • Kyno
    21054 posts Moderator
    Nauros wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Nauros wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    This is a strong maybe. As always the next meta has less to do with what the current meta is than how well they will do on defense.

    It's almost without doubt they will have some aspects of their kits built to counter revan. So at a minimum we will get another option in arena and a viable counter elsewhere

    I am getting less confident about this, now that we are starting to see kits. Unless GG or droideka have some crazy kits, I just dont see droids hanging around top arena spots.

    They are relying too much on TM gain and debuffs. There is a reason palp lead went to the wayside.

    That reason is Bastila and she isn't used as a leader anymore, B2 can dispel Revan's tenacity up and get it running. But yeah, that alone isn't enough to make them viable.

    Tenacity up and a lot of cleansing is the reason he never came back around with revan too.

    Seeing the same issues here for the droids. Yeah, just not as hopeful as I was before.
    B2 provides arguably better dispel than Sion, though. While it can be evaded, it has lower base cooldown with the possibility of further reduction and buff immunity on top, so I don't see ten up being much of a problem.

    Yes, but the auto cleans of traya makes the team better. AB or stun on B2 shuts that down.

    I'm not writing it off completely, just saying I'm not as hopeful. I agree it's not bad, just not seeing it working in the long run. Much like BH, great team, just not going to be good enough to rock the current meta. Which is fine arena is not everything.
  • leef
    12604 posts Member
    Kyno wrote: »
    Nauros wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Nauros wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    This is a strong maybe. As always the next meta has less to do with what the current meta is than how well they will do on defense.

    It's almost without doubt they will have some aspects of their kits built to counter revan. So at a minimum we will get another option in arena and a viable counter elsewhere

    I am getting less confident about this, now that we are starting to see kits. Unless GG or droideka have some crazy kits, I just dont see droids hanging around top arena spots.

    They are relying too much on TM gain and debuffs. There is a reason palp lead went to the wayside.

    That reason is Bastila and she isn't used as a leader anymore, B2 can dispel Revan's tenacity up and get it running. But yeah, that alone isn't enough to make them viable.

    Tenacity up and a lot of cleansing is the reason he never came back around with revan too.

    Seeing the same issues here for the droids. Yeah, just not as hopeful as I was before.
    B2 provides arguably better dispel than Sion, though. While it can be evaded, it has lower base cooldown with the possibility of further reduction and buff immunity on top, so I don't see ten up being much of a problem.

    Yes, but the auto cleans of traya makes the team better. AB or stun on B2 shuts that down.

    I'm not writing it off completely, just saying I'm not as hopeful. I agree it's not bad, just not seeing it working in the long run. Much like BH, great team, just not going to be good enough to rock the current meta. Which is fine arena is not everything.

    Arena is everything! what are you talking about !?
    Honestly though, if the droids aren't atleast viable in arena (read: close to 100% win ratio vs equally modded current meta on offense), it's definately an underwhelming replacement for the sith month. A new TB map which requires them could potentially change my oppinion though.
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