So let’s put the torches and pitchforks down and see what his kit looks like.
Grab your pitchforks...
Oh no. The next legendary is Shrek, isn’t it
STAY OUT OF MY SWAMP!!!
Swamp donkey
Donkey is being released next month as a marquee character. Yes, he will destroy every meta with a jar jar like persistent talking, but there will be less collateral damage.
How are you making this judgement without even seeing the kit? For all you know Darth Revan will destroy JKR but will be vunerable to a couple of other teams, opening up the rock, paper scissors arena you mentioned.
Lol. Some of you are hilarious. "This time it will be different!"
Okay. Forgive those of us who presume that CG won't "finally get it right"....after 3+ years.
But we have seen metas with counters previously, so isnt revan the odd one in the mix?
Revan isn't odd at all. Revan if the product of what happens when you have to counter something equally broken, like Traya. Now they must counter something even more broken (Jedi Revan). The outcome could be very very scary
Traya. Isnt. Broken.
Cls chewie beats traya. Cls chewie c3po steamrolls traya. A fast rex team can beat traya. Finn3po currently beats traya (or anything for that matter). Zep and zbast can beat traya.
This^^^^. Revan is a product of whales and krakens spending outrageous amounts of money on this game.
The kit is not even out and already complaints? Seriously.
CG was a lot nicer this time than for Jedi Revan. We had a lot of time to farm the characters already and the announcement gives at least 2 weeks of farming and gearing time. I was seriously surprised that they did not make Revan a required character.
Traya is (or rather was) natural counter to light side that usually uses buffs and assists mechanics.
Revan was created to overcome all these negative effects.. becoming even worse threat against other teams. And here we are. Thanks to CG.
Traya was definitely the best team from release, although nobody had her day 1 because she had to be earned through the raid system. However even at 5 stars she was dominating arena. Her dominance lasted pretty much up until CLS was able to crush her however CLS couldn't crush her until Chewbacca and 3PO. Chewbacca only came right around the same time as Revan so it didn't matter at that point
So let’s put the torches and pitchforks down and see what his kit looks like.
Grab your pitchforks...
Oh no. The next legendary is Shrek, isn’t it
STAY OUT OF MY SWAMP!!!
Swamp donkey
Donkey is being released next month as a marquee character. Yes, he will destroy every meta with a jar jar like persistent talking, but there will be less collateral damage.
His special ability will be to summon a female dragon in heat. His second special will be to summon all of his mutant babies to attack.
How are you making this judgement without even seeing the kit? For all you know Darth Revan will destroy JKR but will be vunerable to a couple of other teams, opening up the rock, paper scissors arena you mentioned.
Unless Darth Revan trumps Jedi Knight Revan AND one or two existing teams trump Darth Revan, it's still going to be a boring meta. So while it is premature to say there's a problem, there's a very strong chance there will be a problem.
The OP is right. We need a rock-paper-scissors mechanic in arena. We got very close to that before Revan came along and upended the whole thing.
It's always the case with a new journey.. the journey character dominates the meta and while there are counters, they plummet on defense because they arent meta. It was no different with Traya. Sure you could beat traya and climb, but plummet on defense. When I first reactivated this account in Nov 2017 after 12-18 month hiatus, I used zfinn resistance to climb and could beat some meta teams, but would fall like a one legged man in a butt kicking contest.
Traya is (or rather was) natural counter to light side that usually uses buffs and assists mechanics.
Revan was created to overcome all these negative effects.. becoming even worse threat against other teams. And here we are. Thanks to CG.
This. Traya made sense as a LS counter (and specifically to speed/buff teams that go out of turn). For JKRevan it seems like CG just said "Make him a hard counter to...everything. They'll buy it."
At this point, we are beyond counters and power creep. They have now cornered themselves into constantly having to re-break the game just to even come close to "balancing" it - which they either can't or won't (3 years of trying supports either - both of which are concerning)
In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie
In game guild: TNR Uprising I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
Traya is (or rather was) natural counter to light side that usually uses buffs and assists mechanics.
Revan was created to overcome all these negative effects.. becoming even worse threat against other teams. And here we are. Thanks to CG.
This. Traya made sense as a LS counter (and specifically to speed/buff teams that go out of turn). For JKRevan it seems like CG just said "Make him a hard counter to...everything. They'll buy it."
At this point, we are beyond counters and power creep. They have now cornered themselves into constantly having to re-break the game just to even come close to "balancing" it - which they either can't or won't (3 years of trying supports either - both of which are concerning)
Let's wait and see. But hey, if you're so salty at the game after "18 months of everything being broken" then they're doing something right
Traya is (or rather was) natural counter to light side that usually uses buffs and assists mechanics.
Revan was created to overcome all these negative effects.. becoming even worse threat against other teams. And here we are. Thanks to CG.
This. Traya made sense as a LS counter (and specifically to speed/buff teams that go out of turn). For JKRevan it seems like CG just said "Make him a hard counter to...everything. They'll buy it."
At this point, we are beyond counters and power creep. They have now cornered themselves into constantly having to re-break the game just to even come close to "balancing" it - which they either can't or won't (3 years of trying supports either - both of which are concerning)
Let's wait and see. But hey, if you're so salty at the game after "18 months of everything being broken" then they're doing something right
They are doing what they want, whether it's right or wrong it's a different story. They are certainly making money which is their goal and the only reason they keep doing it. The question is would they keep making money under a more balanced model? I believe the answer is yes but my opinion doesn't matter.
Traya is (or rather was) natural counter to light side that usually uses buffs and assists mechanics.
Revan was created to overcome all these negative effects.. becoming even worse threat against other teams. And here we are. Thanks to CG.
This. Traya made sense as a LS counter (and specifically to speed/buff teams that go out of turn). For JKRevan it seems like CG just said "Make him a hard counter to...everything. They'll buy it."
At this point, we are beyond counters and power creep. They have now cornered themselves into constantly having to re-break the game just to even come close to "balancing" it - which they either can't or won't (3 years of trying supports either - both of which are concerning)
Let's wait and see. But hey, if you're so salty at the game after "18 months of everything being broken" then they're doing something right
They are doing what they want, whether it's right or wrong it's a different story. They are certainly making money which is their goal and the only reason they keep doing it. The question is would they keep making money under a more balanced model? I believe the answer is yes but my opinion doesn't matter.
There's no way to know that not being a CG employee, but bringing game breaking toons surely brings lots of money for them. Is it long term profitable? We will see
Traya is (or rather was) natural counter to light side that usually uses buffs and assists mechanics.
Revan was created to overcome all these negative effects.. becoming even worse threat against other teams. And here we are. Thanks to CG.
This. Traya made sense as a LS counter (and specifically to speed/buff teams that go out of turn). For JKRevan it seems like CG just said "Make him a hard counter to...everything. They'll buy it."
At this point, we are beyond counters and power creep. They have now cornered themselves into constantly having to re-break the game just to even come close to "balancing" it - which they either can't or won't (3 years of trying supports either - both of which are concerning)
Let's wait and see. But hey, if you're so salty at the game after "18 months of everything being broken" then they're doing something right
The only reason I am still playing is Star Wars. Many launch friends have quit. Three whales from our guild quit two weeks ago (citing this tired KOTOR meta) - and our guild is reorganizing with our sister guilds because many of their players have left in the past couple weeks as well. My two sons have quit playing. I am considering hanging it up as well and stopped supporting game financially 18 months ago. They are doing very little right compared to what they are doing to slowly ruin what was once a great game.
In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie
In game guild: TNR Uprising I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
How are you making this judgement without even seeing the kit? For all you know Darth Revan will destroy JKR but will be vunerable to a couple of other teams, opening up the rock, paper scissors arena you mentioned.
Lol. Some of you are hilarious. "This time it will be different!"
Okay. Forgive those of us who presume that CG won't "finally get it right"....after 3+ years.
But we have seen metas with counters previously, so isnt revan the odd one in the mix?
Revan isn't odd at all. Revan if the product of what happens when you have to counter something equally broken, like Traya. Now they must counter something even more broken (Jedi Revan). The outcome could be very very scary
Traya. Isnt. Broken.
Cls chewie beats traya. Cls chewie c3po steamrolls traya. A fast rex team can beat traya. Finn3po currently beats traya (or anything for that matter). Zep and zbast can beat traya.
cls beats revan, traya beats revan, finn beats revan, ns beat revan, grievous with bb8 beats revan
so revan isnt broken either?
How are you making this judgement without even seeing the kit? For all you know Darth Revan will destroy JKR but will be vunerable to a couple of other teams, opening up the rock, paper scissors arena you mentioned.
Lol. Some of you are hilarious. "This time it will be different!"
Okay. Forgive those of us who presume that CG won't "finally get it right"....after 3+ years.
But we have seen metas with counters previously, so isnt revan the odd one in the mix?
Revan isn't odd at all. Revan if the product of what happens when you have to counter something equally broken, like Traya. Now they must counter something even more broken (Jedi Revan). The outcome could be very very scary
Traya. Isnt. Broken.
Cls chewie beats traya. Cls chewie c3po steamrolls traya. A fast rex team can beat traya. Finn3po currently beats traya (or anything for that matter). Zep and zbast can beat traya.
cls beats revan, traya beats revan, finn beats revan, ns beat revan, grievous with bb8 beats revan
so revan isnt broken either?
Hey man 3 out of those 4 squads you mentioned cannot beat Revan reliably. In fact I challenge you next time you're doing GA, when a Revan pops up on their defense, have the nerve to use CLS or nightsisters or GG to beat him. It's a gamble. The only squad that can reliably beat Revan is Traya and even Traya loses some times if Nihilus doesn't get his annihilate quick enough.
Like I've said to another person before, when it comes to arena a squad is only viable as long as you don't consistently drop more ranks than you can possibly climb in 5 attempts. Try leaving a Traya or a CLS in for a few hours and see how that goes for you.
Rock paper scissors is fine but why would people go through the pain of faming, unlocking and gearing a new team if it just gets beat by older easier to get teams that they already have?
Rock paper scissors is fine but why would people go through the pain of faming, unlocking and gearing a new team if it just gets beat by older easier to get teams that they already have?
It will shine in an arena full of JKRevan. As there are no other hard counters for JKR, it's pretty much the only way to make sure that you can consistently beat everything.
Besides, it probably won't be that easy to beat by old teams.
Rock paper scissors is fine but why would people go through the pain of faming, unlocking and gearing a new team if it just gets beat by older easier to get teams that they already have?
1. Because new characters are fun to use
2. Because it will shine in other areas of the game
3. One extra squad for GA and TW.
4. Increasing your raid scores and placing higher
Rock paper scissors is fine but why would people go through the pain of faming, unlocking and gearing a new team if it just gets beat by older easier to get teams that they already have?
1. Because new characters are fun to use
2. Because it will shine in other areas of the game
3. One extra squad for GA and TW.
4. Increasing your raid scores and placing higher
Everything you listed can be accomplished by other teams without the massive cost of panic farming.
Without a reward comparable to the cost and effort it is by definition not worth it.
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STAY OUT OF MY SWAMP!!!
Donkey is being released next month as a marquee character. Yes, he will destroy every meta with a jar jar like persistent talking, but there will be less collateral damage.
This^^^^. Revan is a product of whales and krakens spending outrageous amounts of money on this game.
CG was a lot nicer this time than for Jedi Revan. We had a lot of time to farm the characters already and the announcement gives at least 2 weeks of farming and gearing time. I was seriously surprised that they did not make Revan a required character.
Revan was created to overcome all these negative effects.. becoming even worse threat against other teams. And here we are. Thanks to CG.
His special ability will be to summon a female dragon in heat. His second special will be to summon all of his mutant babies to attack.
Unless Darth Revan trumps Jedi Knight Revan AND one or two existing teams trump Darth Revan, it's still going to be a boring meta. So while it is premature to say there's a problem, there's a very strong chance there will be a problem.
The OP is right. We need a rock-paper-scissors mechanic in arena. We got very close to that before Revan came along and upended the whole thing.
This. Traya made sense as a LS counter (and specifically to speed/buff teams that go out of turn). For JKRevan it seems like CG just said "Make him a hard counter to...everything. They'll buy it."
At this point, we are beyond counters and power creep. They have now cornered themselves into constantly having to re-break the game just to even come close to "balancing" it - which they either can't or won't (3 years of trying supports either - both of which are concerning)
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
Let's wait and see. But hey, if you're so salty at the game after "18 months of everything being broken" then they're doing something right
They are doing what they want, whether it's right or wrong it's a different story. They are certainly making money which is their goal and the only reason they keep doing it. The question is would they keep making money under a more balanced model? I believe the answer is yes but my opinion doesn't matter.
There's no way to know that not being a CG employee, but bringing game breaking toons surely brings lots of money for them. Is it long term profitable? We will see
The only reason I am still playing is Star Wars. Many launch friends have quit. Three whales from our guild quit two weeks ago (citing this tired KOTOR meta) - and our guild is reorganizing with our sister guilds because many of their players have left in the past couple weeks as well. My two sons have quit playing. I am considering hanging it up as well and stopped supporting game financially 18 months ago. They are doing very little right compared to what they are doing to slowly ruin what was once a great game.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
*This space left intentionally blank*
cls beats revan, traya beats revan, finn beats revan, ns beat revan, grievous with bb8 beats revan
so revan isnt broken either?
Hey man 3 out of those 4 squads you mentioned cannot beat Revan reliably. In fact I challenge you next time you're doing GA, when a Revan pops up on their defense, have the nerve to use CLS or nightsisters or GG to beat him. It's a gamble. The only squad that can reliably beat Revan is Traya and even Traya loses some times if Nihilus doesn't get his annihilate quick enough.
Like I've said to another person before, when it comes to arena a squad is only viable as long as you don't consistently drop more ranks than you can possibly climb in 5 attempts. Try leaving a Traya or a CLS in for a few hours and see how that goes for you.
Having two equally matched teams will still be an improvement over the current state.
Besides, it probably won't be that easy to beat by old teams.
1. Because new characters are fun to use
2. Because it will shine in other areas of the game
3. One extra squad for GA and TW.
4. Increasing your raid scores and placing higher
Everything you listed can be accomplished by other teams without the massive cost of panic farming.
Without a reward comparable to the cost and effort it is by definition not worth it.
what's the second team?
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meh, i use plenty characters routinely.