should there be an opposing property to evasion?

NeverTrustWetFarts

Precision?Accuracy?

I mean there is
Potency – Increases the chance to apply detrimental effects to opponents.
Tenacity – Increases the chance to ward off detrimental effects..

Tolodine

There is:

Grievous has it

His Basic can not be Evaded or Countered

phroxenphyre

I think he means a generic stat that everyone would have.This would allow some characters to inherently be good at hitting high dodgers without needing to have that as a bonus on their abilities but still maintaining the possibility of missing.

Tolodine

Ummmmm......

A ToHit skill that every character has..... It's called, Level

Lokai

Tolodine wrote: »

Ummmmm......

A ToHit skill that every character has..... It's called, Level

are you simply trolling? kinda smells like it....

Barrok

You should either hit, or evade.

Currently, you either have a spell land or it is resisted.

Why would evade work any other way?

NeverTrustWetFarts

level,stars,gear, none of those add you your change to hit someone.

phroxenphyre wrote: »

I think he means a generic stat that everyone would have.This would allow some characters to inherently be good at hitting high dodgers without needing to have that as a bonus on their abilities but still maintaining the possibility of missing.

^ this

speedy, high dps could also be balanced in this way.

DarthMasterShawn

Barrok wrote: »

You should either hit, or evade.

Currently, you either have a spell land or it is resisted.

Why would evade work any other way?

I have to agree here.

NeverTrustWetFarts

Barrok wrote: »

You should either hit, or evade.

Currently, you either have a spell land or it is resisted.

Why would evade work any other way?

then why is there crit and normal damage?

Barrok

NeverTrustWetFarts wrote: »

Barrok wrote: »

You should either hit, or evade.

Currently, you either have a spell land or it is resisted.

Why would evade work any other way?

then why is there crit and normal damage?

I am assuming because that is a carry over from D&D and almost any other RPG? If you pass a hit roll, you can pass a crit roll and do extra damage.

Plus who doesn't like seeing massive damage on their screen? WoW taught us that big damage is good damage!

NeverTrustWetFarts

Barrok wrote: »

NeverTrustWetFarts wrote: »

Barrok wrote: »

You should either hit, or evade.

Currently, you either have a spell land or it is resisted.

Why would evade work any other way?

then why is there crit and normal damage?

I am assuming because that is a carry over from D&D and almost any other RPG? If you pass a hit roll, you can pass a crit roll and do extra damage.

Plus who doesn't like seeing massive damage on their screen? WoW taught us that big damage is good damage!

Me...when it's one of my toons getting smacked by rey

Barrok

NeverTrustWetFarts wrote: »

Barrok wrote: »

NeverTrustWetFarts wrote: »

Barrok wrote: »

You should either hit, or evade.

Currently, you either have a spell land or it is resisted.

Why would evade work any other way?

then why is there crit and normal damage?

I am assuming because that is a carry over from D&D and almost any other RPG? If you pass a hit roll, you can pass a crit roll and do extra damage.

Plus who doesn't like seeing massive damage on their screen? WoW taught us that big damage is good damage!

Me...when it's one of my toons getting smacked by ray

Touche

JoshG

I'm guessing the OP just got Dooku'ed....

NeverTrustWetFarts

JoshG wrote: »

I'm guessing the OP just got Dooku'ed....

dooku/han/daka. almost broke my phone. stunned han with dooku, missed with gs, killed with 88, daka revives..... han taunts, then the TM sorcery started. some not so pleasant words were said to my phone. swapped my pog for dooku lead just to ef over someone else.

Tolodine

Lokai wrote: »

Tolodine wrote: »

Ummmmm......

A ToHit skill that every character has..... It's called, Level

are you simply trolling? kinda smells like it....

Hmm.... Guess it reads that way, but no.


In every game I've ever played, it's always the same.


When you are Lvl 1 it's hard to hit, and when you're Max level, it's insanely hard to miss.

Dodge/evade helps deal with this.

Not that I have any clue as to what the Devs actually think/built into this game

Viperish

What the OP is eluding to is what should be implemented. An opposing stat to dodge such as an increased chance to hit a target. Call it what u want; advanced targeting algorithm(droid), battle prowess(other), or marksman(blaster users). Not everyone needs it or should have it but some should be better adapted. This would make scoundrels a bit more useful as they would be a counter to evasion teams. There is currently no counter to them at this time.

NeverTrustWetFarts

Viperish wrote: »

What the OP is eluding to is what should be implemented. An opposing stat to dodge such as an increased chance to hit a target. Call it what u want; advanced targeting algorithm(droid), battle prowess(other), or marksman(blaster users). Not everyone needs it or should have it but some should be better adapted. This would make scoundrels a bit more useful as they would be a counter to evasion teams. There is currently no counter to them at this time.

bring balance to the force

Yarzahn

Tolodine wrote: »

Ummmmm......

A ToHit skill that every character has..... It's called, Level

A stat that varies between characters. Is this your first RPG? Most RPGs have +hit on gear or abilities or stats (usually connected to something like agility or dexterity).
Even hack and slash basic games like diablo 2 had it. Every D&D based game has it.

Like @phroxenphyre said, it would allow some characters to be better than others at hitting high dodgers - hence you could pick specific +hit squads (and even leaderships) to fight evade leaders and characters in GW and arena.
It goes beyond level differences (which indeed also play a major part in the hit rating formula).
It's really not a new concept or a hard one. Unless you have no experience with RPGs. Which is why @Lokai suspected trolling.

Lokai

Tolodine wrote: »

Lokai wrote: »

Tolodine wrote: »

Ummmmm......

A ToHit skill that every character has..... It's called, Level

are you simply trolling? kinda smells like it....

Hmm.... Guess it reads that way, but no.


In every game I've ever played, it's always the same.


When you are Lvl 1 it's hard to hit, and when you're Max level, it's insanely hard to miss.

Dodge/evade helps deal with this.

Not that I have any clue as to what the Devs actually think/built into this game

was just checking

@yarzahn pretty much covered it

Starjumper

Personally I don't think it's needed based on how they do their rng. You'll see it in GW - if you see a toon dodge a certain attack and retreat but keep your toons the same you'll find that whoever tries to make that attack will still result in a dodge.

they are reworking defence - an existing stat which will no doubt take weeks. Now imagine them adding a new stat that has a lot more variables.....it would take them forever to do it. If this game was a proper rpg then yeah it would fit but with linear gear and levelling it's better to keep accuracy/precision generic

NeverTrustWetFarts

Starjumper wrote: »

Personally I don't think it's needed based on how they do their rng. You'll see it in GW - if you see a toon dodge a certain attack and retreat but keep your toons the same you'll find that whoever tries to make that attack will still result in a dodge.

they are reworking defence - an existing stat which will no doubt take weeks. Now imagine them adding a new stat that has a lot more variables.....it would take them forever to do it. If this game was a proper rpg then yeah it would fit but with linear gear and levelling it's better to keep accuracy/precision generic

must have a dooku lead

phroxenphyre

Starjumper wrote: »

Personally I don't think it's needed based on how they do their rng. You'll see it in GW - if you see a toon dodge a certain attack and retreat but keep your toons the same you'll find that whoever tries to make that attack will still result in a dodge.

they are reworking defence - an existing stat which will no doubt take weeks. Now imagine them adding a new stat that has a lot more variables.....it would take them forever to do it. If this game was a proper rpg then yeah it would fit but with linear gear and levelling it's better to keep accuracy/precision generic

Actually, this would be the perfect time to introduce an Accuracy stat. Developers are already revamping the combat system and reworking the code that handles this so popping in an extra variable to that equation is trivial, as is adding it to the character attributes. The only difficult thing would figuring out how much accuracy each character should get and how characters should increase their accuracy, if at all. Much of that work can be rolled up with the balance testing they're already doing for the defense rework.

So basically, if there was ever a time when adding an Accuracy stat would be cost effective, this is it. Yes, it adds more work but much of that is work they're already doing anyway so might as well piggyback on it. That said, it would have had to have already been a part of their plans for it to be that efficient. They're likely already well into development on whatever changes they're doing so adding something like this now would be extremely disruptive and waste more time than it saves. If they're not already doing it, they're better off finishing what they're working on and saving this for a future update.

Plague_Inc

I think there already is an accuracy stat because sometimes a character will attack in GW and miss, so I will retry and they will only be able to hit one character or none of them. It's a weird system.

Starjumper

phroxenphyre wrote: »

Starjumper wrote: »

Personally I don't think it's needed based on how they do their rng. You'll see it in GW - if you see a toon dodge a certain attack and retreat but keep your toons the same you'll find that whoever tries to make that attack will still result in a dodge.

they are reworking defence - an existing stat which will no doubt take weeks. Now imagine them adding a new stat that has a lot more variables.....it would take them forever to do it. If this game was a proper rpg then yeah it would fit but with linear gear and levelling it's better to keep accuracy/precision generic

Actually, this would be the perfect time to introduce an Accuracy stat. Developers are already revamping the combat system and reworking the code that handles this so popping in an extra variable to that equation is trivial, as is adding it to the character attributes. The only difficult thing would figuring out how much accuracy each character should get and how characters should increase their accuracy, if at all. Much of that work can be rolled up with the balance testing they're already doing for the defense rework.

So basically, if there was ever a time when adding an Accuracy stat would be cost effective, this is it. Yes, it adds more work but much of that is work they're already doing anyway so might as well piggyback on it. That said, it would have had to have already been a part of their plans for it to be that efficient. They're likely already well into development on whatever changes they're doing so adding something like this now would be extremely disruptive and waste more time than it saves. If they're not already doing it, they're better off finishing what they're working on and saving this for a future update.

It would be if they'd already done the work on it but based on the bugs etc that happen at the moment that never get fixed I think it's better if they don't multitask and try to focus on getting one thing right at a time

Jabberwocky

They are planning on fixing the fact that stunned characters can dodge, so there's that to look forward to.

Starjumper

Jabberwocky wrote: »

They are planning on fixing the fact that stunned characters can dodge, so there's that to look forward to.

Lol. There's lots of things they're ' looking into' . I'm not a developer but I kinda imagine this to be a simple fix. Possibly one line of code

It probably says something like
If x =stun dodge = 5 (+evasion leader bonus)

And what they need it to say is
If x = stun then dodge = - 100

Im still baffled that bugs like this that should never have made it into the game aren't managed with any priority. I'm sure it's been reported months ago

Wildcats1203

Maybe not an entire stat, but if a buff was introduced that gave a team 100% accuracy that would help counter Dooku and Sid

Abyss

Barrok wrote: »

NeverTrustWetFarts wrote: »

Barrok wrote: »

You should either hit, or evade.

Currently, you either have a spell land or it is resisted.

Why would evade work any other way?

then why is there crit and normal damage?

I am assuming because that is a carry over from D&D and almost any other RPG? If you pass a hit roll, you can pass a crit roll and do extra damage.

Plus who doesn't like seeing massive damage on their screen? WoW taught us that big damage is good damage!

Been happening LONG before WoW was ever thought of

Abyss

To answer headline question i say NO because evasion is not consistent enough or reliable enough to "need" a counter stat. Perhaps someday yes but rite now no. Accuracy (as an example) i fear wouod be far superior and theow off proper balance