So sick of rigged drop rates
I have been with this game from the very beginning. Im trying to very very hard to like this game. And i really want to. BUT.... Grinding for what equals to YEARS to get a toon to 7* is absolutely ridiculous and un called for. Ive been keeping track everyday of my drops and this is the **** i have been given.
50 days straight in Fleet 5A hard trying to get Shaak Ti. I started keeping track 50 days ago. 50 days times 5 per day is 250 attempts. Thats 250 possible shards. Ive gotten 17. 17 days I got 1 shard and the other 33 i got zero. This is total crap EA. ****?!?! If getting 2, 3,4 or 5 shards is 100% completely and totally impossible than getting 0 should be as well. At this drop rate it should take me roughly close to 2 years to get her to 7. Nope. Not going to happen. I refuse to grind for that ****. Thats not a grind, its purposely rigged stupidity.
Light side 8B hard. Going after the Driodeka. 30 days, 5 attempts per day. Possible 150 shards. Ive gotten 8. Never more than 1 in a single day.
Darkside 7A hard trying for Bastila Fallen. Again 30 days 5 tries per day. 150 possible shards Ive gotten 4. FOUR!!!
At these drop rates it will literally take me YEARS to grind these to 7 stars. I refuse to do that. I refuse to spend another cent on this game until this is looked at. I do not expect 330 shards in the first 5 days. No. I do expect some sort of grind. But this is just pay to win ignorance. Purposely making abysmal drop rates so ill spend money to get the character faster.
Gear is even worse. Tell me why do ALL toons require the exact same gear ? I have hundreds of pieces of gear that i have 10s of thousands of because they go to NO ONE. Yet somehow someway a ewok attacker, sith tank, rebel support, jedi healer and so on all require the exact same gear despite having no where near the same properties. How about rotating the gear in the challenges. In all those challenges there only 1 piece of gear that i dont have at least 7k of. How about rotating the gear that drops in these so we have a chance to get what we need. You know like the 750 pieces of salvage it takes to get a team 1 piece of gear a piece because they all require the exact same crap.
Last time they did double shard drops, in cantina I did one mission 200 times trying to get B2 droid shards on 6D. In those 200 attempts I got 6. I gave up. I almost quit the game right then and there. There is simply zero excuse for that crap.
I will listen and try to respond to intelligent replies but i will refuse to get into name calling arguments with the EA apologists who have their mommies credit card and love to bash people who bash their precious EA. Thank you. sorry this is so long.
50 days straight in Fleet 5A hard trying to get Shaak Ti. I started keeping track 50 days ago. 50 days times 5 per day is 250 attempts. Thats 250 possible shards. Ive gotten 17. 17 days I got 1 shard and the other 33 i got zero. This is total crap EA. ****?!?! If getting 2, 3,4 or 5 shards is 100% completely and totally impossible than getting 0 should be as well. At this drop rate it should take me roughly close to 2 years to get her to 7. Nope. Not going to happen. I refuse to grind for that ****. Thats not a grind, its purposely rigged stupidity.
Light side 8B hard. Going after the Driodeka. 30 days, 5 attempts per day. Possible 150 shards. Ive gotten 8. Never more than 1 in a single day.
Darkside 7A hard trying for Bastila Fallen. Again 30 days 5 tries per day. 150 possible shards Ive gotten 4. FOUR!!!
At these drop rates it will literally take me YEARS to grind these to 7 stars. I refuse to do that. I refuse to spend another cent on this game until this is looked at. I do not expect 330 shards in the first 5 days. No. I do expect some sort of grind. But this is just pay to win ignorance. Purposely making abysmal drop rates so ill spend money to get the character faster.
Gear is even worse. Tell me why do ALL toons require the exact same gear ? I have hundreds of pieces of gear that i have 10s of thousands of because they go to NO ONE. Yet somehow someway a ewok attacker, sith tank, rebel support, jedi healer and so on all require the exact same gear despite having no where near the same properties. How about rotating the gear in the challenges. In all those challenges there only 1 piece of gear that i dont have at least 7k of. How about rotating the gear that drops in these so we have a chance to get what we need. You know like the 750 pieces of salvage it takes to get a team 1 piece of gear a piece because they all require the exact same crap.
Last time they did double shard drops, in cantina I did one mission 200 times trying to get B2 droid shards on 6D. In those 200 attempts I got 6. I gave up. I almost quit the game right then and there. There is simply zero excuse for that crap.
I will listen and try to respond to intelligent replies but i will refuse to get into name calling arguments with the EA apologists who have their mommies credit card and love to bash people who bash their precious EA. Thank you. sorry this is so long.
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You want to really cry use this and then come back here and post your feeling lol
Were they actually different over the long haul? Probably not, but that didn’t decrease the level of frustration any.
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And I still reckon there's some code built in that if you are searching for shards or gear and are close 98/100 or 48/50 for gear, the percentage drops. I needed 2 pieces of g12+ gear, used 10 attempts get 0, refresh 10 attempts 0, refresh 10 attempts 1, refresh 10 attempts 0, end up refreshing using 200 crystals, 10 attempts drops 3. Happened so many times, it can't just be a coincidence but you'll get the pain in the **** ones who'll say, where's the proof, keep track etc etc but save it guys, I don't want a response either just giving my honest opinion to this post. Just my gut feel....
Shard farming is often frustrating. Sounds like you are having a rough go, but over time it will even out to somewhere very close to 33%. After this much time (since launch) you should be used to it. I tracked Shaak Ti and Droideka farming here and found ~33% over the long haul:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/213406/shaak-ti-shard-farming-253-755-33-5-7-update-bonus-droideka-xanadu-and-b1/p1
It will turn around for you. Well ... probably.
Try refreshing nodes though, more attempts, more made up results
250 or 150 battles is still a relatively small sample size.
If you are only doing free hard nodes and not refreshing for crystals, you are in for a 180 day grind (6 months) on average if you start at 3 star (meaning you need 300 shards). If it is a critical farm, you should refresh at least once, if not twice. It is still economical and drastically reduces farm time.
DarthBarron (Kevin, aka KevWalker)
Stopped reading after this point
Post your tracked data
I'm calling shenanigans on all these numbers. The chances of your RNG being this bad range into the billions to one.
Post your data.
You could scale the other results so that the average would still be 1/3 (in terms of a 5 attempt scale). 1% for 0, 60% for 1 20% for 2 etc ( this is just made up since I can't be bothered to do the maths) but they can definitely have an average drop rate of 1/3 while lowering the percentage of 0 occurring.
But argue.....cause I know you will
You know me? Oh ok.
This would have been so much better if you didn't resort to calling others "EA apologists who have their mommies credit card" even before someone replied to your questionable numbers.
"Made up numbers" should be the title of this thread. Also, if anyone knows how I can get mommy's credit card to use for swgoh stuff please lmk asap! Finna kraken
Sadly this isn't how math and probablilities work.
The chances of not getting a shard is [1-drop rate]^[number of attempts], or 0.66^5
The chances of getting a 5/5 pull is [drop rate]^[number of attempts], so 0.33^5
The only way to get them equal would be to up the drop rate to .5, and that would massively change the game economy and likely lead to a reduction in attempts available.
Geeze. If you skew the results the drop rate can still be a third.
1% 0
60% 1
20% 2
12% 3
6% 4
1% 5
Gives an average drop rate of 1.65 out of every 5 attempts which in turn is almost a third.....
0 down once, 1 60 times, 2 20 times etc (as above) and then conduct an experiment by drawing a hundred numbers with replacement and keeping track and averaging them out you'll see that I'm right.
So what happens if you do 1 sim?
so you want to get rid of drop rates? What you posted is not a "drop rate", aka the chances of success on an attempt for a character shard. What happens when you want to sim 3 at a time?
My question still stands: how do you extrapolate it to different number of sims?
Of course it is possible to give a set of outcomes and apply probabilities to them such that the end result is what you want, but that is completely changing the system (and making it no longer a "drop rate").
This is not how the math works.
If you are running 5 sims together, your are conductiongs comply to a binomial trial.
Success Times Probablity
0 0.1316872428
1 0.329218107
2 0.329218107
3 0.1646090535
4 0.04115226337
5 0.004115226337
DarthBarron (Kevin, aka KevWalker)
Maybe come up with similar scales for 4 sims, 3 sims etc but I was really just thinking this idea for maxed sims and if you do anything less then the current system is used.
I'm no programmer and implementing something like this might be impossible but it would just take away that 0/5, 0/5, 0/5 run people have. It was just an idea.....
There is a super easy way to achieve the end result. Set the drop rate to 33% per sim and leave it at that.
I chuck up a thought and the nerds pop up lol
maths does work like that in an experimental sense, not theory.
If you break down what your saying, it would still give an average of 1.66*
If 5 and 0 have the same percentage than the averages would be 2.5 which is 50%. I get it. Just chucking up set numbers for maxed sims that if could be implemented prevent bad runs of 0/5
Its not that it would be impossible, it would just take more work and it would fundamentally change how shards are distributed. It would no longer be a "drop rate" in the same sense of the word.
Just trying to discuss an idea here.
But then your drop rate isn't 33% anymore. You are essentially creating unique distributions based on number of trials. And if you assign drop rates per quantity of sim attempt, the trials are no longer truly independent events. That means you need to do the same for gear too. All because player perception of the way atcual probability works. You also run into issues at 1 sim since you no longer have independent trial probabilities.
And I don't believe the OP's post at all, as the odds of getting what he described are astounding low. The system they have in place now works just fine.
DarthBarron (Kevin, aka KevWalker)
Compared to that our %20-%33 things are constantly happening, we just need them happen a lot. I would welcome any change, but not appease folks perceptions. I just don't see CG doing anything in this regard either.