give players a choice to que for 3v3 or 5v5?
September 22, 2022 9:53AM
edited September 2022
Can we just create two separate leaderboards and allow for the player to decide to que for GAC in 3v3 or 5v5 of their choosing? I personally don't like the game balance of 3v3 as the entire game and characters are focused on a 5v5 balance generally. I understand a population enjoys 3v3 but I don't like the idea of being forced to play a meta I don't have fun with and neither should those who enjoy 3v3 more than 5v5 be forced to play 5v5.
One of the main issues is there are a lot of players who refuse to play 3v3 out of protest and won't play or join and attack once for 10 points and lose thus constantly sandbag their GP to lower brackets until 3v3 is over thus when 5v5 comes back around we have 2M or less GP players squaring up against 5M-8M GP players with multiple GLs in bronzium/carbonite and makes PVP matchups unwinnable and just unfair.
One of the main issues is there are a lot of players who refuse to play 3v3 out of protest and won't play or join and attack once for 10 points and lose thus constantly sandbag their GP to lower brackets until 3v3 is over thus when 5v5 comes back around we have 2M or less GP players squaring up against 5M-8M GP players with multiple GLs in bronzium/carbonite and makes PVP matchups unwinnable and just unfair.
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It’s a slippery slope. Why not 4 separate ladders for those who don’t like ships ? It’s not the main focus of the game neither. Why about players who don’t like datacrons (i heard there are a few) ?
Let players choose.
Nah. Play the game we all play.
need an option to queue in without zeta, relics, 7* toons, and level 85 also
So its simply uninteresting. I do not want to play an rng fest which is generated in 3vs3 and now forced on me due to crystal income issues by cg. So basically one has to play 3vs3. And i dislike it like 90% of my guild. Basically set 4 to 6 GL and make one fight and be done in 3vs3. So ... it enhances NOT playing, but not that you like to play.
Wouldn't be a slippery slope by just choosing 3v3 or 5v5 no other alterations. Also, the idea of letting players choose isn't anything new or outlandish lots of games in MMOs, FPS, MOBA's, RTS, etc allow the players to choose what competitive PVP bracket/leaderboard they want to play the current season. I played a lot of MMOs and the standard is usually 2v2, 3v3, or 5v5 and players can choose what they want to play, even in esports like CSGO and such players can choose 1v1, 2v2, or 5v5 tournaments and so on, etc as there are a lot of examples in a lot of other games and we can all agree the current GAC system was implemented poorly but it can be fixed. Each bracket had its own community and you played till X rating and got the same rewards regardless of what PVP bracket you choose to play.
Well, sure the 3v3 or 5v5 gang could have his way without touching ships, but that wouldn’t be fair to the shipsucks squad and i have no idea which one got the bigger posse.
About ‘other games do it’ (and also for Ragnarok who would like another reason
Thank you. I respect how you feel. Do keep in mind that that is your opinion. Others feel differently and have equally valid reasons to feel that way.
I'm referencing other games because CG literally STOLE this rating system of 1-5 brackets within bronze, silver, gold, diamond, platinum, etc from other games like league of legends, starcraft, counter strike, valorant, etc of other games of multiple play style genre's that use this system, for example, but did poorly in its implementation I mean there is nothing wrong with stealing from the best and art is going to borrow from other art, but we only got 50% of the system available from the other games of what makes PVP in those games successful and we currently have an incomplete version of that PVP system they stole/poorly copied and again even those games that they stole this pvp/tournament system having the option of 2v2, 3v3, or 5v5 and the players are allowed to choose what to play in. I mean there are also other successful details from the system they poorly copied that should be in here, but i'll ignore those for now one problem at a time.
that's fine as long as they don't force players to play that game mode only and allow players the option to choose to sign up for those game modes or games like LOL, WOW, etc release bonus PVP game modes events that are fun or wacky that go on during the current standard PVP season. Usually play this game mode 5 or 10 times and you something cosmetic, title, or mid/low tier resources etc.
lol ... imagine if CG threw us a curve ball and created GAC seasons with all these kinds of kinks.
I'ld love to try a round of GAC with "no mods", "no leaders allowed", "6v6", 2v2 without leader abilities" or "only your 80 lowest geared toons can be used".
I play a lot of League of Legends and I didn't relate the 2 systems, but I guess you have a point.
LoL system has been around a long time and is always being refined/tweaked. SWGOH system is 6 months old. LoL for example after several years dropped the 5 divisions to 4 and added a new league on the bottom.
I don't agree that CG did it 'poorly'. I definitely think there could be improvements, but I think that more about the LoL system tbh. So.....it's a matter of perspective, I guess. I feel both systems are too 'manipulative' rather than true win/loss system.
The bottom line though, I do really dislike there being 1 ranking for 3v3 & 5v5.
And more and more, I really wish I was playing a lot less 3v3 than I am right now.
3v3 is a game mode. Ships, DCs, and GLs are part of our collection. OP' suggestion doesn't restrict anyone's collection. It just let's you choose how you play with it.
I do believe some others threw out some suggestions like 2v2 or 6v6. I would say those are no more/less ridiculous than 3v3. That's not an endorsement for those game modes (not that my endorsement means anything). However, I would say that adding a 2v2 and 6v6 league with voluntary signup doesn't go against what OP was requesting. So discussion of those game modes is moot in the context of OP's post.
Other than TVF saying he wants compulsory 3v3 because it gives him easy wins and Starslayer saying he likes the added layer of roster development management, I've yet to see anyone make an argument as to why we shouldn't be allowed to play the game mode we prefer.
No. Ships are part of your collection. You use them in various game modes: Fleet Battles (Normal/Hard nodes), fleet combats in TW/TB/GAC/GC.
I think what you're maybe trying to get at is that "No Ships" would just be another variant of GAC, like 5v5 and 3v3. However, as I pointed out, the difference between "No Ships" and #v# is that one removes part of your collection and the other merely changes how they are used.
And again, suggesting that we have to entertain the merits of every possible variant because OP wants to choose between 3v3 and 5v5 is ridiculous. Starcraft has many game modes. They do not have a separate ladder for 3v5 or TZvPP or no ships or no upgrades etc.
But all of this is yet another distraction to avoid discussing what OP actually suggested. 3v3 and 5v5 can and should be discussed on their own merits since they are already in the game. OP is not asking for a new game mode. Just to be able to choose which one he plays.
Yes (s)he is. GAC’s current game mode is an alternate of 3v3+ships and 5v5+ships. It has been for a long time and only changed during exhibition period of gac 2.0. Making any change to that will change GAC. Matter of opinion if it will be better or worse, but it will be a new game mode for sure.
Exhibition period?? I'm not sure I'd call it that.
Call me stupid, but with the new win/loss ranking system, I really thought they were going to quietly retire 3v3. Looking at the videos and streams + comments when the new deployment system was implemented with a 3v3 deployment, I wasn't the only one.
I genuinely thought the rating system was going to be a 'true' system. Not saying that I think it's bad, just not my vision.
"They" is the gender-neutral pronoun you're looking for, fyi.
You said OP is looking for a new game mode and then proceeded to explain how their request is a change to the existing game mode. If you consider changes to existing game modes to be "new" game modes, then we disagree only on semantics which still have no bearing on the issue at hand.
Yep, semantics.
Also: thanks for ‘they’. It’s in a lot of kits, i should know by now.
Q&A 12/02 (2022)
Q: Will we have a separate bracket for 3v3 and 5v5? Some rosters may be more geared towards one of the game modes and Win/Loss ratios may vary greatly.
A: We are not planning on splitting 5v5 and 3v3 GAC brackets at this time but we will only be running 5v5 Grand Arenas while we monitor the initial tuning of the system. Once we run 3v3 we will keep a close eye on how this performs. -Jay