December Squish: We're down to 2776 in kyber 1! 0.88% of players.

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Good news: we're up players overall in GAC; we had join levels like last summer.
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Seriously, when does it end? We predicted under 3000 when squish hit - I guess we were overly optimistic.

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  • Taliana
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    And again: The real problem here is that you can't (or at least shouldn't) use a linear squish formula on Kyber, because all of kyber 1 and kyber 2 will always be out on the edge of the distribution and therefore pushed downwards.

    So please, please CG, fix your formula!

    Kyber 1 needs ~2500 players back.

    Once that happens, kyber2 will be down ~4000 players that they need back as well.

    And once those corrections are made, we have to be very careful to _NOT_ apply a large, universally downward pressure on the upper end of the kyber distribution, since no players can be brought down from higher leagues to make up those missing numbers the way they are in lower leagues.
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    @Taliana you have an update on the numbers? looks like the Squish continues like before :-/
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    I think we get the numbers after the first round. Whatever the result it really needs to be posted in general and not this sub-forum that few people read. The failing squish formula is one of the biggest issue this game has ever faced and it's falling on deaf ears. In fact the majority of players don't even realize what is going on and those that do think it's a whale only problem that doesn't affect then. Then they post wondering why their 1 gl account is facing a 6 gl account. Where do you think these accounts are coming from? They're getting squished continually downward.
  • WitnessedJarl
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    Hawthorne wrote: »
    I think we get the numbers after the first round. Whatever the result it really needs to be posted in general and not this sub-forum that few people read. The failing squish formula is one of the biggest issue this game has ever faced and it's falling on deaf ears. In fact the majority of players don't even realize what is going on and those that do think it's a whale only problem that doesn't affect then. Then they post wondering why their 1 gl account is facing a 6 gl account. Where do you think these accounts are coming from? They're getting squished continually downward.

    You do realize that the 1 GL vs 6 GL part doesnt have much to do with the squish right. That happens because some bigger accounts are inactive and drop down.

    Those that go 5/4 will just be battling the same opponents for the most part since the squish affects those around you equally. So where you battle them in k1 before at some point you'll just battle them in k2.
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    This is partly true. However, consider the player with 1 GL that is punching above his weight and hanging on for dear life in Aurodium. I know the because my alt is one of them. As he clings on for dear life in A3, more and more accounts are getting pushed down to Aurodium from Kyber because of the squish. So while the the 1 GL 4m gp player was used to fighting 5-6m gl accounts with 2-3 gls 6 months ago, he's now facing 7-8m gp accounts with 4-6 gls every round. Sure some of these guys are fighting each other as before but they are in Aurodium because of the squish.
  • Lumiya
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    Hawthorne wrote: »
    This is partly true. However, consider the player with 1 GL that is punching above his weight and hanging on for dear life in Aurodium. I know the because my alt is one of them. As he clings on for dear life in A3, more and more accounts are getting pushed down to Aurodium from Kyber because of the squish. So while the the 1 GL 4m gp player was used to fighting 5-6m gl accounts with 2-3 gls 6 months ago, he's now facing 7-8m gp accounts with 4-6 gls every round. Sure some of these guys are fighting each other as before but they are in Aurodium because of the squish.

    Exactly my experience aswell.
    They are not just facing each other but also the players that were there before they fell down.

    My opponents definitely got bigger and bigger.
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    Can’t wait to get an update to this…we making bets if it’s over or under 0,5% already?

    @CG_Tusken_Meathead
    @CG_SBCrumb
    You should point the devs to this, certainly a more important issue than Traya Omi performance vs LV and Scythe AI targeting!
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    It has been over a year and still not much communication on this. I am not hopeful that we will ever have any insight into this, let alone changes. CG doesn't care about communicating with the player base.

    This is the only official answer I an find.
    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/252923/grand-arena-seasonal-skill-squish#latest
  • StarSon
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    It has been over a year and still not much communication on this. I am not hopeful that we will ever have any insight into this, let alone changes. CG doesn't care about communicating with the player base.

    This is the only official answer I an find.
    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/252923/grand-arena-seasonal-skill-squish#latest

    This post is less than two months old.
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    StarSon wrote: »
    It has been over a year and still not much communication on this. I am not hopeful that we will ever have any insight into this, let alone changes. CG doesn't care about communicating with the player base.

    This is the only official answer I an find.
    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/252923/grand-arena-seasonal-skill-squish#latest

    This post is less than two months old.

    Unless I'm missing something this ooks like Jan 2022... Not 2023
  • StarSon
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    Jakdnels wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    It has been over a year and still not much communication on this. I am not hopeful that we will ever have any insight into this, let alone changes. CG doesn't care about communicating with the player base.

    This is the only official answer I an find.
    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/252923/grand-arena-seasonal-skill-squish#latest

    This post is less than two months old.

    Unless I'm missing something this ooks like Jan 2022... Not 2023

    When I checked the date on this thread it said (and still says) December 2022. *shrug*
  • TVF
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    StarSon wrote: »
    Jakdnels wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    It has been over a year and still not much communication on this. I am not hopeful that we will ever have any insight into this, let alone changes. CG doesn't care about communicating with the player base.

    This is the only official answer I an find.
    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/252923/grand-arena-seasonal-skill-squish#latest

    This post is less than two months old.

    Unless I'm missing something this ooks like Jan 2022... Not 2023

    When I checked the date on this thread it said (and still says) December 2022. *shrug*

    Mine shows Jan 2022 as well
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  • Lumiya
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  • StarSon
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  • Lumiya
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    StarSon wrote: »
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    What has Taliana's thread to do with it? @Striker80swgoh wrote about the last -official-communication from CG and linked the thread from Crumb which is indeed 1 year old and doesn't really say much.

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  • Lumiya
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    Just to make sure it will not be misunderstood: It was about the last official communication from CG regarding the squish.
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    There has been more than one user submitted post about the squish since the official one from CG. For instance, here's another one from Taliana which describes the issue from Nov 2022 (and I'm sure there have been others).

    The community discussion hasn't gotten us very far, which is why Striker80swgoh linked the post from Crumb... It would be nice if CG would comment instead of letting the community try to interpret their intentions.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/260300/current-squish-formula-math-and-kyber1-here-is-how-to-fix-the-leak

  • StarSon
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    Jakdnels wrote: »
    There has been more than one user submitted post about the squish since the official one from CG. For instance, here's another one from Taliana which describes the issue from Nov 2022 (and I'm sure there have been others).

    The community discussion hasn't gotten us very far, which is why Striker80swgoh linked the post from Crumb... It would be nice if CG would comment instead of letting the community try to interpret their intentions.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/260300/current-squish-formula-math-and-kyber1-here-is-how-to-fix-the-leak

    Don't really need to guess, since they told us. Until they say something to change that, we must assume their intentions are unchanged.
  • TVF
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    StarSon wrote: »
    Jakdnels wrote: »
    There has been more than one user submitted post about the squish since the official one from CG. For instance, here's another one from Taliana which describes the issue from Nov 2022 (and I'm sure there have been others).

    The community discussion hasn't gotten us very far, which is why Striker80swgoh linked the post from Crumb... It would be nice if CG would comment instead of letting the community try to interpret their intentions.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/260300/current-squish-formula-math-and-kyber1-here-is-how-to-fix-the-leak

    Don't really need to guess, since they told us. Until they say something to change that, we must assume their intentions are unchanged.

    the problem is that their intentions don't seem to match reality, at least as stated in the linked post
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  • StarSon
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    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Jakdnels wrote: »
    There has been more than one user submitted post about the squish since the official one from CG. For instance, here's another one from Taliana which describes the issue from Nov 2022 (and I'm sure there have been others).

    The community discussion hasn't gotten us very far, which is why Striker80swgoh linked the post from Crumb... It would be nice if CG would comment instead of letting the community try to interpret their intentions.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/260300/current-squish-formula-math-and-kyber1-here-is-how-to-fix-the-leak

    Don't really need to guess, since they told us. Until they say something to change that, we must assume their intentions are unchanged.

    the problem is that their intentions don't seem to match reality, at least as stated in the linked post

    Says who? Their intentions are to "maintain the health and balance of the new system" and to "ensure the range of skill rating numbers won't massively expand." They determine both of those metrics, and they're still doing the squish without new communication so we must assume their intentions match reality just fine.
  • TVF
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    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Jakdnels wrote: »
    There has been more than one user submitted post about the squish since the official one from CG. For instance, here's another one from Taliana which describes the issue from Nov 2022 (and I'm sure there have been others).

    The community discussion hasn't gotten us very far, which is why Striker80swgoh linked the post from Crumb... It would be nice if CG would comment instead of letting the community try to interpret their intentions.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/260300/current-squish-formula-math-and-kyber1-here-is-how-to-fix-the-leak

    Don't really need to guess, since they told us. Until they say something to change that, we must assume their intentions are unchanged.

    the problem is that their intentions don't seem to match reality, at least as stated in the linked post

    Says who? Their intentions are to "maintain the health and balance of the new system" and to "ensure the range of skill rating numbers won't massively expand." They determine both of those metrics, and they're still doing the squish without new communication so we must assume their intentions match reality just fine.
    In general, this will not have any impact on your Grand Arena experience. This will not change what Division or League are in. It will not impact your ability to reach the next Division (IE if you could win your next round and move up to the division you will still do so). It will not affect your daily rewards payouts.

    None of this has been true.
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  • StarSon
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    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Jakdnels wrote: »
    There has been more than one user submitted post about the squish since the official one from CG. For instance, here's another one from Taliana which describes the issue from Nov 2022 (and I'm sure there have been others).

    The community discussion hasn't gotten us very far, which is why Striker80swgoh linked the post from Crumb... It would be nice if CG would comment instead of letting the community try to interpret their intentions.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/260300/current-squish-formula-math-and-kyber1-here-is-how-to-fix-the-leak

    Don't really need to guess, since they told us. Until they say something to change that, we must assume their intentions are unchanged.

    the problem is that their intentions don't seem to match reality, at least as stated in the linked post

    Says who? Their intentions are to "maintain the health and balance of the new system" and to "ensure the range of skill rating numbers won't massively expand." They determine both of those metrics, and they're still doing the squish without new communication so we must assume their intentions match reality just fine.
    In general, this will not have any impact on your Grand Arena experience. This will not change what Division or League are in. It will not impact your ability to reach the next Division (IE if you could win your next round and move up to the division you will still do so). It will not affect your daily rewards payouts.

    None of this has been true.

    It was true, until they changed the timing of division promotion/demotion.
  • TVF
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    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.
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  • StarSon
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    TVF wrote: »
    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.

    No, those were not intentions. Those were the details of how the squish worked.
  • TVF
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    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.

    No, those were not intentions. Those were the details of how the squish worked.

    Lol ok, consider me lawyered I guess.
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  • StarSon
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    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.

    No, those were not intentions. Those were the details of how the squish worked.

    Lol ok, consider me lawyered I guess.

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    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.

    No, those were not intentions. Those were the details of how the squish worked.

    More like how the squish was supposed to work. I don't put as much blind faith in CG that this is working as intended considering the number of bugs and unintentional interactions lately...
  • TVF
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    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.

    No, those were not intentions. Those were the details of how the squish worked.

    Lol ok, consider me lawyered I guess.

    2v7hlqz1z55f.png

    Meaning you're hiding behind a technicality, but that's fine.
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  • StarSon
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    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.

    No, those were not intentions. Those were the details of how the squish worked.

    Lol ok, consider me lawyered I guess.

    2v7hlqz1z55f.png

    Meaning you're hiding behind a technicality, but that's fine.

    No I understood. But it was a great opportunity for a HIMYM reference.
    Jakdnels wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.

    No, those were not intentions. Those were the details of how the squish worked.

    More like how the squish was supposed to work. I don't put as much blind faith in CG that this is working as intended considering the number of bugs and unintentional interactions lately...

    It's been this way for a year. People have asked about it. CG has said nothing further. It clearly does what they want or they would have changed it by now.

    Or they just don't care enough to change it and are just letting it ride.
  • Lumiya
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    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.

    No, those were not intentions. Those were the details of how the squish worked.

    Lol ok, consider me lawyered I guess.

    2v7hlqz1z55f.png

    Meaning you're hiding behind a technicality, but that's fine.

    No I understood. But it was a great opportunity for a HIMYM reference.
    Jakdnels wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Ok so they just decided to no longer meet their stated intentions then.

    No, those were not intentions. Those were the details of how the squish worked.

    More like how the squish was supposed to work. I don't put as much blind faith in CG that this is working as intended considering the number of bugs and unintentional interactions lately...



    Or they just don't care enough to change it and are just letting it ride.

    Something we can agree on 🙃
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