I'm also quite happy that this thread is still going strong and that CG, after looking into Levi, determined that it wasn't performing as expected and is tweaking it.
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
is it harder than requirements for levi? Is either Malak or Darth Revan a goid investment in r9?
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
is it harder than requirements for levi? Is either Malak or Darth Revan a goid investment in r9?
No, it's obviously not harder than the Levi requirements. But how many people do you really think are going to do this? Potentially no one, but definitely a very, very small amount.
Yes, Malak is a good r9; DR not as much, but it does make the Malgus defense essentially GAS-proof so bonus.
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
is it harder than requirements for levi? Is either Malak or Darth Revan a goid investment in r9?
No, it's obviously not harder than the Levi requirements. But how many people do you really think are going to do this? Potentially no one, but definitely a very, very small amount.
Yes, Malak is a good r9; DR not as much, but it does make the Malgus defense essentially GAS-proof so bonus.
how many? If devs will contnue give a sith about levi, than as much as there are fennec Shand for levi plus a bit more cpz fleet don't have mods and dk.
Even Malak is not the best choice, coz 501 still beats omi malgus(btw, 555 is good here) but there is now even beter anti-malgus team(doesn't really care about SE relics): jkkel team.
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
is it harder than requirements for levi? Is either Malak or Darth Revan a goid investment in r9?
No, it's obviously not harder than the Levi requirements. But how many people do you really think are going to do this? Potentially no one, but definitely a very, very small amount.
Yes, Malak is a good r9; DR not as much, but it does make the Malgus defense essentially GAS-proof so bonus.
Well no one should chase some levi counter until CG does what they are planning to do, howevere people will and then come complain (and demand refunds) about their wasted time and resouces and CG nerfing this counter.
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
is it harder than requirements for levi? Is either Malak or Darth Revan a goid investment in r9?
No, it's obviously not harder than the Levi requirements. But how many people do you really think are going to do this? Potentially no one, but definitely a very, very small amount.
Yes, Malak is a good r9; DR not as much, but it does make the Malgus defense essentially GAS-proof so bonus.
how many? If devs will contnue give a sith about levi, than as much as there are fennec Shand for levi plus a bit more cpz fleet don't have mods and dk.
Even Malak is not the best choice, coz 501 still beats omi malgus(btw, 555 is good here) but there is now even beter anti-malgus team(doesn't really care about SE relics): jkkel team.
Well, we know they won't "continue to give a sith about levi." We don't know what the changes will be yet, but they're doing something.
The existence of other counters doesn't change the fact that r9 Malak and DR allow one to easily GAS-proof a Malgus team. Currently, you either force a GL, or are unlucky enough to face one of the ~2,000 JKC in the game. That will change eventually, of course.
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
is it harder than requirements for levi? Is either Malak or Darth Revan a goid investment in r9?
No, it's obviously not harder than the Levi requirements. But how many people do you really think are going to do this? Potentially no one, but definitely a very, very small amount.
Yes, Malak is a good r9; DR not as much, but it does make the Malgus defense essentially GAS-proof so bonus.
how many? If devs will contnue give a sith about levi, than as much as there are fennec Shand for levi plus a bit more cpz fleet don't have mods and dk.
Even Malak is not the best choice, coz 501 still beats omi malgus(btw, 555 is good here) but there is now even beter anti-malgus team(doesn't really care about SE relics): jkkel team.
Well, we know they won't "continue to give a sith about levi." We don't know what the changes will be yet, but they're doing something.
The existence of other counters doesn't change the fact that r9 Malak and DR allow one to easily GAS-proof a Malgus team. Currently, you either force a GL, or are unlucky enough to face one of the ~2,000 JKC in the game. That will change eventually, of course.
they can change their minds, if they wanted to boost Levi - they woukd do it already. The longests it took - was to nerf Traya omicron. It took nearly a month. Its nearly 2 minth with levi.
You think r9 Malak and Revan gives 100% chance against GAS? Nope, only datacron matter
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
is it harder than requirements for levi? Is either Malak or Darth Revan a goid investment in r9?
No, it's obviously not harder than the Levi requirements. But how many people do you really think are going to do this? Potentially no one, but definitely a very, very small amount.
Yes, Malak is a good r9; DR not as much, but it does make the Malgus defense essentially GAS-proof so bonus.
how many? If devs will contnue give a sith about levi, than as much as there are fennec Shand for levi plus a bit more cpz fleet don't have mods and dk.
Even Malak is not the best choice, coz 501 still beats omi malgus(btw, 555 is good here) but there is now even beter anti-malgus team(doesn't really care about SE relics): jkkel team.
Well, we know they won't "continue to give a sith about levi." We don't know what the changes will be yet, but they're doing something.
The existence of other counters doesn't change the fact that r9 Malak and DR allow one to easily GAS-proof a Malgus team. Currently, you either force a GL, or are unlucky enough to face one of the ~2,000 JKC in the game. That will change eventually, of course.
they can change their minds, if they wanted to boost Levi - they woukd do it already. The longests it took - was to nerf Traya omicron. It took nearly a month. Its nearly 2 minth with levi.
You think r9 Malak and Revan gives 100% chance against GAS? Nope, only datacron matter
Your timelines are all over the place. They said just two weeks ago that they will be making some changes. It may be slower than how they handled Traya, but it's faster than Exec and zFinn and Paper Zombie.
And no, not only DC matters. From my own personal experience, using the right team with the DR and Malak at r9 it's GAS-proof. Maybe with the new clone DC's you can do it, but I doubt it's consistent. I don't have Insights to see the various relic levels, but almost all of the counter data on .gg shows that only SEE is reliable against Malgus now.
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
is it harder than requirements for levi? Is either Malak or Darth Revan a goid investment in r9?
No, it's obviously not harder than the Levi requirements. But how many people do you really think are going to do this? Potentially no one, but definitely a very, very small amount.
Yes, Malak is a good r9; DR not as much, but it does make the Malgus defense essentially GAS-proof so bonus.
how many? If devs will contnue give a sith about levi, than as much as there are fennec Shand for levi plus a bit more cpz fleet don't have mods and dk.
Even Malak is not the best choice, coz 501 still beats omi malgus(btw, 555 is good here) but there is now even beter anti-malgus team(doesn't really care about SE relics): jkkel team.
Well, we know they won't "continue to give a sith about levi." We don't know what the changes will be yet, but they're doing something.
The existence of other counters doesn't change the fact that r9 Malak and DR allow one to easily GAS-proof a Malgus team. Currently, you either force a GL, or are unlucky enough to face one of the ~2,000 JKC in the game. That will change eventually, of course.
they can change their minds, if they wanted to boost Levi - they woukd do it already. The longests it took - was to nerf Traya omicron. It took nearly a month. Its nearly 2 minth with levi.
You think r9 Malak and Revan gives 100% chance against GAS? Nope, only datacron matter
Your timelines are all over the place. They said just two weeks ago that they will be making some changes. It may be slower than how they handled Traya, but it's faster than Exec and zFinn and Paper Zombie.
And no, not only DC matters. From my own personal experience, using the right team with the DR and Malak at r9 it's GAS-proof. Maybe with the new clone DC's you can do it, but I doubt it's consistent. I don't have Insights to see the various relic levels, but almost all of the counter data on .gg shows that only SEE is reliable against Malgus now.
interesting i had looked at the numbers in a while but yeah it has dropped
What they're doing with Leviathan is most likely a bit more nuanced than just slapping a "no DS GLs" clause in the kit. Traya had a fairly direct and obvious solution. In this case, not so much.
I'd wager they're going to buff Leviathan in some way, rather than nerf Profundity/Chimaera/etc. That's an inherently more complicated process than what happened with Traya. I'd love to see some update on this soon as well, but I also want them to get it right, and that may involve trying a few different approaches before they land on the best one.
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
is it harder than requirements for levi? Is either Malak or Darth Revan a goid investment in r9?
No, it's obviously not harder than the Levi requirements. But how many people do you really think are going to do this? Potentially no one, but definitely a very, very small amount.
Yes, Malak is a good r9; DR not as much, but it does make the Malgus defense essentially GAS-proof so bonus.
how many? If devs will contnue give a sith about levi, than as much as there are fennec Shand for levi plus a bit more cpz fleet don't have mods and dk.
Even Malak is not the best choice, coz 501 still beats omi malgus(btw, 555 is good here) but there is now even beter anti-malgus team(doesn't really care about SE relics): jkkel team.
Well, we know they won't "continue to give a sith about levi." We don't know what the changes will be yet, but they're doing something.
The existence of other counters doesn't change the fact that r9 Malak and DR allow one to easily GAS-proof a Malgus team. Currently, you either force a GL, or are unlucky enough to face one of the ~2,000 JKC in the game. That will change eventually, of course.
they can change their minds, if they wanted to boost Levi - they woukd do it already. The longests it took - was to nerf Traya omicron. It took nearly a month. Its nearly 2 minth with levi.
You think r9 Malak and Revan gives 100% chance against GAS? Nope, only datacron matter
What they're doing with Leviathan is most likely a bit more nuanced than just slapping a "no DS GLs" clause in the kit. Traya had a fairly direct and obvious solution. In this case, not so much.
That is true, only in case they are doing some global adjustments to the fleet itself. Buffing Marauder's ship(easiest and has most problems defending other ships) is not that hard considering they have a lot of experience with other tanks.
Ok, guess it's better to believe some global changes incoming and they don't want to buff some fleets too much to ruin those changes.
i'd love to just seem them do nothing, other than fix any bugs
I think the ship has already sailed (no pun intended) on that. CG has said post-investigation that Levi is not performing as intended (at least vs. ProFun and Chimera) and that changes would be made. We're just waiting to hear what the changes are at this point. Bugs are a separate issue, some of which have been fixed, and some of which persist.
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
you sound like its hard to relic 555 in r9 or unlock negotiator
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
Anyone who might be facing a Leviathan fleet in GAC probably has the ability to take fives to R9.
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Also, I got it six stars a month and 8 days ago and have reached first in fa every day since ...
Yep
Psshhht dont let em know
yeah we need to keep this thread alive
oh just found it on the second
TLDR - we were duped on the Leviathan to deplete our resources to entice us to spend on GL Leia.
And they still haven't fixed all the bugs with it either.
If you want to be clever, try using LeGarbageCan
95% to win against Levi with Negotiator and r9 555. Thats awesome(sarcasm)
So, now we're upset about a counter that only 850 people in the entire game can even attempt?
I wonder how many of them also have a 7* Levi.
Well, it is kind of hard. I have 2 r9 characters that aren't requirements, and only because we needed them for ROTE. Currently not able to do any more. Knowing that it's hard, and 5s is not a good r9 candidate outside of this one very specific use, not sure it's really an issue.
No, it's obviously not harder than the Levi requirements. But how many people do you really think are going to do this? Potentially no one, but definitely a very, very small amount.
Yes, Malak is a good r9; DR not as much, but it does make the Malgus defense essentially GAS-proof so bonus.
Even Malak is not the best choice, coz 501 still beats omi malgus(btw, 555 is good here) but there is now even beter anti-malgus team(doesn't really care about SE relics): jkkel team.
Well no one should chase some levi counter until CG does what they are planning to do, howevere people will and then come complain (and demand refunds) about their wasted time and resouces and CG nerfing this counter.
Well, we know they won't "continue to give a sith about levi." We don't know what the changes will be yet, but they're doing something.
The existence of other counters doesn't change the fact that r9 Malak and DR allow one to easily GAS-proof a Malgus team. Currently, you either force a GL, or are unlucky enough to face one of the ~2,000 JKC in the game. That will change eventually, of course.
You think r9 Malak and Revan gives 100% chance against GAS? Nope, only datacron matter
Your timelines are all over the place. They said just two weeks ago that they will be making some changes. It may be slower than how they handled Traya, but it's faster than Exec and zFinn and Paper Zombie.
And no, not only DC matters. From my own personal experience, using the right team with the DR and Malak at r9 it's GAS-proof. Maybe with the new clone DC's you can do it, but I doubt it's consistent. I don't have Insights to see the various relic levels, but almost all of the counter data on .gg shows that only SEE is reliable against Malgus now.
interesting i had looked at the numbers in a while but yeah it has dropped
I'd wager they're going to buff Leviathan in some way, rather than nerf Profundity/Chimaera/etc. That's an inherently more complicated process than what happened with Traya. I'd love to see some update on this soon as well, but I also want them to get it right, and that may involve trying a few different approaches before they land on the best one.
Ok, guess it's better to believe some global changes incoming and they don't want to buff some fleets too much to ruin those changes.
I think the ship has already sailed (no pun intended) on that. CG has said post-investigation that Levi is not performing as intended (at least vs. ProFun and Chimera) and that changes would be made. We're just waiting to hear what the changes are at this point. Bugs are a separate issue, some of which have been fixed, and some of which persist.
Anyone who might be facing a Leviathan fleet in GAC probably has the ability to take fives to R9.