Have they been overthinking about Anakin and Windu?
May 19, 2016 2:36AM
edited May 2016
So lots of people have been complaining about Anakin and Windu being hilariously useless in the game, since one of them is only the protagonist of the entire prequel and the other is often referred to as the most skillful swordsman of the Jedi Order by canon.
I have seen somebody's attempt to explain this - players are going to get Anakin and Windu anyway, as they are fans of them. In contrast if you make GS or RG or Daka useless in arena nobody is going to bother with them, and thus making the creation of those characters completely pointless. It's a good theory, but if that's the case I hope the developers can understand that from a marketing standpoint, you do want your customers to get some enjoyment out of your product in the long run. Yes you might have succeeded in luring your customers into getting both the little-known characters like Sun Fac (in order to win the Arena) and the famous characters (for fandom), in the long run your customers are not going to enjoy being forced into using the characters they don't really care in order to progress in the game. Things have gotten so bad for Anakin and Mace with the update (i.e., the increased difficulty of the game in general), they aren't really usable even in the new levels of LS, DS and Cantina missions, let alone compete in Arena. What they have been reduced to is mere suicide squad material in the GW.
I mean who downloaded this game looking forward to collect a lineup of Daka, RG, GS, Sun Fac and Poggle? Nobody.
And there's a very simple way to fix this. You don't even need to change their skillsets (like previous failed attempt to buff Windu). I mean Rey doesn't have any utility does she? And she's arguably the best toon in the game. You don't even need to increase their speed or health or whatever. The only thing you need to do to fix Anakin and Windu is just buffing their attacking power. Make them hit as hard as Rey (at least the basic) and even if you don't change their skills they will become viable. They won't be so called 'OP' because loads of characters have anti-Jedi skills. And if any character deserves to be buffed, it is these two. Luke can wait because there are other power-up versions of him coming (rebel lightsaber Luke; Return of the Jedi black clothes Luke), but Anakin and Windu's current version depicts them at their highest power.
Before you judge my intention, let me tell you I am lv78 with 15 7* characters, but my Windu is only at 5* gear V or something and I don't even own an Anakin (my in game name is same as forum name someone can check my inventory if he has nothing better to do
). I write this because it just feels wrong to see important characters of the lore being eaten alive by extras like the GSs and FOTPs.
I have seen somebody's attempt to explain this - players are going to get Anakin and Windu anyway, as they are fans of them. In contrast if you make GS or RG or Daka useless in arena nobody is going to bother with them, and thus making the creation of those characters completely pointless. It's a good theory, but if that's the case I hope the developers can understand that from a marketing standpoint, you do want your customers to get some enjoyment out of your product in the long run. Yes you might have succeeded in luring your customers into getting both the little-known characters like Sun Fac (in order to win the Arena) and the famous characters (for fandom), in the long run your customers are not going to enjoy being forced into using the characters they don't really care in order to progress in the game. Things have gotten so bad for Anakin and Mace with the update (i.e., the increased difficulty of the game in general), they aren't really usable even in the new levels of LS, DS and Cantina missions, let alone compete in Arena. What they have been reduced to is mere suicide squad material in the GW.
I mean who downloaded this game looking forward to collect a lineup of Daka, RG, GS, Sun Fac and Poggle? Nobody.
And there's a very simple way to fix this. You don't even need to change their skillsets (like previous failed attempt to buff Windu). I mean Rey doesn't have any utility does she? And she's arguably the best toon in the game. You don't even need to increase their speed or health or whatever. The only thing you need to do to fix Anakin and Windu is just buffing their attacking power. Make them hit as hard as Rey (at least the basic) and even if you don't change their skills they will become viable. They won't be so called 'OP' because loads of characters have anti-Jedi skills. And if any character deserves to be buffed, it is these two. Luke can wait because there are other power-up versions of him coming (rebel lightsaber Luke; Return of the Jedi black clothes Luke), but Anakin and Windu's current version depicts them at their highest power.
Before you judge my intention, let me tell you I am lv78 with 15 7* characters, but my Windu is only at 5* gear V or something and I don't even own an Anakin (my in game name is same as forum name someone can check my inventory if he has nothing better to do
). I write this because it just feels wrong to see important characters of the lore being eaten alive by extras like the GSs and FOTPs.Post edited by BentWookiee on
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Yes like I have mentioned someone has suggested that as an explanation. But what should be the bigger concern of the developers: a) to sell the obscure characters or b) to sell the game as an overall good product?
There's no need to nerf anyone, just give the more important characters of the story a buff so they become viable. Like I said it's really a joke that Anakin and Windu aren't really usable in higher DS and LS missions. Also, a suggestion would be if the developers are going to introduce any new but obscure characters, make them utility-based (e.g. the RG design is not bad; Sun Fac is fine with all that utility as long as he hits like Bariss). Let Jedi Luke and Clone War Obi Wan be the hard hitter and make your fans happy.
Sorry meant to edit but ended up double post
And thus a legend was born. The rest is history.
Now it is your turn to take on the genosians with your young anakin. Out of thousands of such warriors in thousands of battles, perhpas one of you will be victorious!
I mean he's the only person who has defeated Sidious (although Sidious also sucks in this game), not to mention the fact that he IS SAMUEL L JACKSON. I imagine if Sam Jackson plays this game, he'd go rage mode.
At least you got a lightsaber.
We will have a riot from team instinct!
Solo is an example that shows the developers have put in some thoughts into creating and balancing the characters.
I mean Solo is by no means a ''powerful'' character in the lore. His attack power should not be high but the developers have found a way for him to be very useful in the game (by giving him utility, or more specifically, turn meter manipulation). The character is very well made and we need more of those.
Anakin and Windu? Not so much.
And if you love Star Wars (like I do), don't you find it a little odd that a team of Poggle, GS, Sun Fac, RG and Daka in the game can beat your team of Anakin, Mace, Yoda, Sidious and Darth Maul with their eyes closed? That's all I am saying.
Anakin though? He needs a real rework. Since he got nerfed, he's just not a real option unless you just want to use him. But then again I haven't leveled him past 55 lol.
Let the Windu hate begin.
I like that idea
Mace and Annie - we suck in this game
Jedi Knight Guardian - that's cute, let me show you what sucking is
Luke - at least you got a light saber
Maul - at least you get to attack before everyone else goes twice
Ugnaught and CUP - at least people want to use you
Padme, Jango Fett, R2, 3PO et all - at least you're in the game
I don't mean it as a real team, I just try to put together five obscure characters that will beat the crap out of a team of the five most powerful characters in the SW lore, and it doesn't feel right.
My suggestions have always been to make Mace's Expose roll to hit everyone, and to double the bonus damage of Anakin's Unique.
He’s quite useful without being overpowered on the raids – he sticks a few Exposes on the Rancor even at T7, and of course he can dispel taunts reliably on the pigs. Worthy of a roster spot there.
On D, the AI lets him down too much. It is rare for the AI to use his Expose as a priority target, and that really weakens his usefulness. He’s a moderate damage bag of hit points, who might dispel a taunt but might also waste it on a random Defense Up.
It wouldn’t take too much to fix him.
@djvita
Already gave up after putting so much into General Gregret. No one on TI has faith in any exclusive character anymore.
If you ask me he doesn't need to be ''re-worked''. Just make him hit 3000 with his basic at Gear IX and everything can stay as it is. Everybody will be using him. Same as Windu. People will always need damage dealer. It's really that simple. Why force everybody into using Rey or GS anyway?
It should be more about interesting new abilities instead of pure power creep. Look at hearthstone. Yogg saron is a high variance card with an underwhelming effectiveness yet everybody crafted him first because of his crazy ability.
Exactly. The obscure characters should be made utility toons (like RG and Daka), or at the very least they shouldn't be great by itself. For example, instead of making GS one of the three best damage dealer in the game, the Geonosians should be designed as the Ewoks of the Dark Side - that they are only good if you collect 3 or 4 of them and utilize their synergy. That will be easier to swallow than just making a no-name Geonosian Soldier hit harder than Mace freaking Windu.
Anni needs completely retooled with clone second leader synergy. General on Deck feature where clones get perms D-up and some second bonus. He is a huge letdown of this game.
Anni beat both windu and Sid. I call a push with Ben. He made Yoda hide in a poopaloop swamp for the last years of his life.
Sam Jackson at Candyland would have never let that happen!