Just because you are jealous that someone is repetitively guild hopping doesn't make it cheating. Where do you think they get the guild currency to do It? Their members have to generate it.....Props to TI for thinking of this....
The deficiency in mechanics is in the fact that a group of people running two (or more) guilds are intentionally working together on this back and forth guild hopping for a certain player(s) with the intention of them getting more reward (in Han Solo shards and other raid proceeds).
This is VERY different from a stand alone case of a player leaving one guild and joining another. And it is crystal clear
It's called guild hopping and a few Chinese players are rushing their Solo shards by doing it. There's a good chance they may beat us this week. It's a close race!
What so since they did it now it's ok? Why not just have 3 guilds to switch between! That sounds fair to me
Could not be more in agreement with what benacrow said. This guild hopping business is just ridiculous. I guess it´s human nature acting... someone will always want to get ahead using any means possible. And this is just a game... imagine real life.
And i´m not saying this because i´m in the race for Han Solo shards, i have 0 and will have 0 for the foreseeable future. I just don´t like people taking unfair advantage... be it in a game or real life.
Just because you are jealous that someone is repetitively guild hopping doesn't make it cheating. Where do you think they get the guild currency to do It? Their members have to generate it.....Props to TI for thinking of this....
Again we aren't even the ones doing it! We're having to last minute hop one or two this week purely for the chance of catching up to the chinese dudes doing it way way more than us! haha
The deficiency in mechanics is in the fact that a group of people running two (or more) guilds are intentionally working together on this back and forth guild hopping for a certain player(s) with the intention of them getting more reward (in Han Solo shards and other raid proceeds).
This is VERY different from a stand alone case of a player leaving one guild and joining another. And it is crystal clear
I call that insane teamwork, personally.
If the "rules" state that one dude leaving a guild and joining another, repeatedly, is allowed, then there is no difference between that and two guilds working together to do it more efficiently. It IS the same thing. One is just coordinated. So what, that's teamwork.
So far all of the anti-guild hopping arguments have boiled down to "it's cheating because we don't have two guilds right now to do it ourselves." That's not very valid.
The deficiency in mechanics is in the fact that a group of people running two (or more) guilds are intentionally working together on this back and forth guild hopping for a certain player(s) with the intention of them getting more reward (in Han Solo shards and other raid proceeds).
This is VERY different from a stand alone case of a player leaving one guild and joining another. And it is crystal clear
I call that insane teamwork, personally.
If the "rules" state that one dude leaving a guild and joining another, repeatedly, is allowed, then there is no difference between that and two guilds working together to do it more efficiently. It IS the same thing. One is just coordinated. So what, that's teamwork.
So far all of the anti-guild hopping arguments have boiled down to "it's cheating because we don't have two guilds right now to do it ourselves." That's not very valid.
The arguement is that you should have max 50 regular members in one guild and a player should be in just one regular guild. That is how a guild is intended.
The deficiency in mechanics is in the fact that a group of people running two (or more) guilds are intentionally working together on this back and forth guild hopping for a certain player(s) with the intention of them getting more reward (in Han Solo shards and other raid proceeds).
This is VERY different from a stand alone case of a player leaving one guild and joining another. And it is crystal clear
I call that insane teamwork, personally.
If the "rules" state that one dude leaving a guild and joining another, repeatedly, is allowed, then there is no difference between that and two guilds working together to do it more efficiently. It IS the same thing. One is just coordinated. So what, that's teamwork.
So far all of the anti-guild hopping arguments have boiled down to "it's cheating because we don't have two guilds right now to do it ourselves." That's not very valid.
The arguement is that you should have max 50 regular members in one guild and a player should be in just one regular guild. That is how a guild is intended.
Says who? That's just a set of completely made up rules on the spot.
When the devs come in the forums and make a mandate that guilds need to regulate themselves around 50 people exclusively and any other possible actions are considered punishable, then you'll have a leg to stand on. That has never happened, probably never will happen and until it does, you're only stating an opinion.
The deficiency in mechanics is in the fact that a group of people running two (or more) guilds are intentionally working together on this back and forth guild hopping for a certain player(s) with the intention of them getting more reward (in Han Solo shards and other raid proceeds).
This is VERY different from a stand alone case of a player leaving one guild and joining another. And it is crystal clear
I call that insane teamwork, personally.
If the "rules" state that one dude leaving a guild and joining another, repeatedly, is allowed, then there is no difference between that and two guilds working together to do it more efficiently. It IS the same thing. One is just coordinated. So what, that's teamwork.
So far all of the anti-guild hopping arguments have boiled down to "it's cheating because we don't have two guilds right now to do it ourselves." That's not very valid.
The arguement is that you should have max 50 regular members in one guild and a player should be in just one regular guild. That is how a guild is intended.
Says who? That's just a set of completely made up rules on the spot.
When the devs come in the forums and make a mandate that guilds need to regulate themselves around 50 people exclusively and any other possible actions are considered punishable, then you'll have a leg to stand on. That has never happened, probably never will happen and until it does, you're only stating an opinion.
No one is saying you're breaking any written rule, dude. But you know what you're doing is an exploit, as much as you lie to yourself, and you know if the devs got enough time they would patch a way to prevent this (such as longer wait times between leaving and joining guilds).
Also yes, it does require teamwork. Exploits always require some sort of work.
No one is saying you're breaking any written rule, dude. But you know what you're doing is an exploit, as much as you lie to yourself, and you know if the devs got enough time they would patch a way to prevent this (such as line wait times between leaving and joining guilds).
I 100% believe none of this is an exploit whatsoever. I think you guys are trying to mix up your own personal morality in to a pseudo set of artificial "rules" that don't exist and you're trying to brush off thinking outside of the box and using all available methods possible as "exploiting." The definition of exploiting has become so watered down that the word serves almost no purpose any more.
They can patch the game however they want, but there will always be ways to gain an advantage within the parameters of fair play no matter how much you all seem to hate it. And chances are, they won't do anything about it, and months down the line this will be adopted as the "go-to" strategy for top tier guilds that want to remain competitive. If they do actually patch the game to alter this in some way, then that's great. We'll play the new game under the new rules and follow them exactly as we are right now. We've never broken the rules and we never will.
Naecabon, have you ever heard such a termin like "fair play"? Unsportsmanlike conduct, although technically may be not against the rules in a certain sports game, is something that is against the spirit of sportsmanship. And often results in huge disqualifications of those found guilty, as a particular sports federation may deem such behavior as one damaging the integrity of the game.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
Naecabon, have you ever heard such a termin like "fair play"? Unsportsmanlike conduct, although technically may be not against the rules in a certain sports game, is something that is against the spirit of sportsmanship. And often results in huge disqualifications of those found guilty, as a particular sports federation may deem such behavior as one damaging the integrity of the game.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
It's only unsportsmanlike if and when you view it under your own artificial lens of what the definition of "fair play" entails. Major league sports have very set in stone rules over sportsmanlike conduct. It's defined through and through, and people know exactly what is allowed and what is not allowed. There are clear rules in place.
Comparing this to unsportsmanlike behavior is apples and oranges. You're only unhappy because you don't like that someone else has the ability to do something advantageous over you due to their increased size, teamwork and capability, and that is in no way unsportsmanlike. Those Chinese guys with 20+ raids in their pocket broke zero rules. They're simply winning, they're ahead. Do you see us crying over that? No.
Saying things like "the spirit of the game" again shows a lack of understanding competitive nature in gaming. The only spirit for competitive players is winning. We'll win by any means we can as long as they're legal. We don't care if you don't like it. We don't care if you don't want to personally engage in the same entirely legal practices.
Again, read. this. article. Learn something. Understand competitive gaming and stop making excuses for being unhappy that other guilds have an edge. They always will.
PS. Thinking the developers didn't expect this is almost insulting to their intelligence. Give them a little more credit than that. They probably knew full well it was possible and simply don't care. That's why there's a 24 hour cooldown on joining guilds.
Naecabon, have you ever heard such a termin like "fair play"? Unsportsmanlike conduct, although technically may be not against the rules in a certain sports game, is something that is against the spirit of sportsmanship. And often results in huge disqualifications of those found guilty, as a particular sports federation may deem such behavior as one damaging the integrity of the game.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
It's only unsportsmanlike if and when you view it under your own artificial lens of what the definition of "fair play" entails. Major league sports have very set in stone rules over sportsmanlike conduct. It's defined through and through, and people know exactly what is allowed and what is not allowed. There are clear rules in place.
Comparing this to unsportsmanlike behavior is apples and oranges. You're only unhappy because you don't like that someone else has the ability to do something advantageous over you due to their increased size, teamwork and capability, and that is in no way unsportsmanlike. Those Chinese guys with 20+ raids in their pocket broke zero rules. They're simply winning, they're ahead. Do you see us crying over that? No.
Saying things like "the spirit of the game" again shows a lack of understanding competitive nature in gaming. The only spirit for competitive players is winning. We'll win by any means we can as long as they're legal. We don't care if you don't like it. We don't care if you don't want to personally engage in the same entirely legal practices.
Again, read. this. article. Learn something. Understand competitive gaming and stop making excuses for being unhappy that other guilds have an edge. They always will.
PS. Thinking the developers didn't expect this is almost insulting to their intelligence. Give them a little more credit than that. They probably knew full well it was possible and simply don't care. That's why there's a 24 hour cooldown on joining guilds.
Do you know the "net roller" in tennis or table tennis? It is not an abuse against rules, but not sportsmanship to win a point with a net roller.
There are always fair players and players who use every thing to win. There are guilds who use guild hopping to be better and guilds who don't use it. I hope that the most people are fair enough and don't use it, that people who can't use it don't have a big disadvantage.
Naecabon, have you ever heard such a termin like "fair play"? Unsportsmanlike conduct, although technically may be not against the rules in a certain sports game, is something that is against the spirit of sportsmanship. And often results in huge disqualifications of those found guilty, as a particular sports federation may deem such behavior as one damaging the integrity of the game.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
So this! Fair play should always be in consideration at all times! If someone finishes Han without Guild hopping i would definitely give him\her all the praise he\she deserves and should be acknowledge by all players.
This way... when one of the guild hoppers (chinese\american\english\out of this world... whoever) finishes Han in a manner that is not in agreement with fair play conduct, it´s just an embarrassment for the all community.
This kind of thing happens in all type´s of activity\sports and it´s never a motive for raising the name of the game\sport you´re involved in.
Naecabon, have you ever heard such a termin like "fair play"? Unsportsmanlike conduct, although technically may be not against the rules in a certain sports game, is something that is against the spirit of sportsmanship. And often results in huge disqualifications of those found guilty, as a particular sports federation may deem such behavior as one damaging the integrity of the game.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
So this! Fair play should always be in consideration at all times! If someone finishes Han without Guild hopping i would definitely give him\her all the praise he\she deserves and should be acknowledge by all players.
This way... when one of the guild hoppers (chinese\american\english\out of this world... whoever) finishes Han in a manner that is not in agreement with fair play conduct, it´s just an embarrassment for the all community.
This kind of thing happens in all type´s of activity\sports and it´s never a motive for raising the name of the game\sport you´re involved in.
That's great! You do whatever you'd like. No one is stopping you.
But there's only one first place and only one worldwide Han Solo unlock and you can bet your bottom we won't just sit around and watch the Chinese "net roller" us in to oblivion
All those accounts with early han solo unlocks should get moved to the leaderboard where all the 7 star vader accounts were moved to. Let the exploiters play amongst themselves.
All those accounts with early han solo unlocks should get moved to the leaderboard where all the 7 star vader accounts were moved to. Let the exploiters play amongst themselves.
Though I only have one guild I 100% agree with Naecabon!
If something is possible in the game and isn't addressed by the Devs then it's Kosher.
Some folks can do 3 GWs on Tuesdays GW challenge while others can only do 2 because of Time zone resets. Does that mean folks that can do 3 GWs stop?
Should I have not precrafted?
Some players pay thousands of dollars while others don't. Does that mean that the players who paid should just limit themselves to farmamble toons? This whole sportsman ship argument doesn't make sense. It's flawed and biased.
To run 1 guild takes a lot of effort, to run 2 guilds is probably double... You're dealing with a 100 players. So if team instinct enjoys doing this, then more power to them, it's not my cup of tea.
On a side note, this game has lots of bugs and a lot of ways to convince people to spend more time and money on it, in sometimes sinister ways. I like the Devs but EA is not my friend and I know EA doesn't have my best interest but their invevestors. So if there are ways to use the games system to gain an advantage over it, by all means go for it!
All those accounts with early han solo unlocks should get moved to the leaderboard where all the 7 star vader accounts were moved to. Let the exploiters play amongst themselves.
At least that is where such accounts belong (and it wouldn't affect their ability to continue farming Han Solo via "great intense teamwork" as well, so everything would be done perfectly within the boundaries even by Naecabon's "Spirit does not exist" standards).
All those accounts with early han solo unlocks should get moved to the leaderboard where all the 7 star vader accounts were moved to. Let the exploiters play amongst themselves.
At least that is where such accounts belong (and it wouldn't affect their ability to continue farming Han Solo via "great intense teamwork" as well, so everything would be done perfectly within the boundaries even by Naecabon's "Spirit does not exist" standards).
Spirit exists, it just means different things to different people.
Again, you can make as many replies comparing Solo to Vader as you'd like, but it means nothing - the devs aren't dumb. They're not the same thing, at all. You're just rabblerousing a dead cause.
Lol people justifying guild hopping. So because something is possible to do with relative ease that means it's not an exploit, aka cheating?
Not that I'd suspect anyone is going to get punished for it, that's highly unlikely, but I seriously doubt the devs were at the table designing this feature like that. Give it a week or two and it'll get patched.
You figure out what rule you think it's breaking and let me know.
You are cheating /exploiting. Nothing surprising here from someonewho has to pay to be good in a game.
It's called guild hopping and a few Chinese players are rushing their Solo shards by doing it. There's a good chance they may beat us this week. It's a close race!
Lol people justifying guild hopping. So because something is possible to do with relative ease that means it's not an exploit, aka cheating?
Not that I'd suspect anyone is going to get punished for it, that's highly unlikely, but I seriously doubt the devs were at the table designing this feature like that. Give it a week or two and it'll get patched.
You figure out what rule you think it's breaking and let me know.
You are cheating /exploiting. Nothing surprising here from someonewho has to pay to be good in a game.
I'M not doing a thing but I respect and appreciate your animosity.
Naecabon, have you ever heard such a termin like "fair play"? Unsportsmanlike conduct, although technically may be not against the rules in a certain sports game, is something that is against the spirit of sportsmanship. And often results in huge disqualifications of those found guilty, as a particular sports federation may deem such behavior as one damaging the integrity of the game.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
It's only unsportsmanlike if and when you view it under your own artificial lens of what the definition of "fair play" entails. Major league sports have very set in stone rules over sportsmanlike conduct. It's defined through and through, and people know exactly what is allowed and what is not allowed. There are clear rules in place.
Comparing this to unsportsmanlike behavior is apples and oranges. You're only unhappy because you don't like that someone else has the ability to do something advantageous over you due to their increased size, teamwork and capability, and that is in no way unsportsmanlike. Those Chinese guys with 20+ raids in their pocket broke zero rules. They're simply winning, they're ahead. Do you see us crying over that? No.
Saying things like "the spirit of the game" again shows a lack of understanding competitive nature in gaming. The only spirit for competitive players is winning. We'll win by any means we can as long as they're legal. We don't care if you don't like it. We don't care if you don't want to personally engage in the same entirely legal practices.
Again, read. this. article. Learn something. Understand competitive gaming and stop making excuses for being unhappy that other guilds have an edge. They always will.
PS. Thinking the developers didn't expect this is almost insulting to their intelligence. Give them a little more credit than that. They probably knew full well it was possible and simply don't care. That's why there's a 24 hour cooldown on joining guilds.
Naecabon, have you ever heard such a termin like "fair play"? Unsportsmanlike conduct, although technically may be not against the rules in a certain sports game, is something that is against the spirit of sportsmanship. And often results in huge disqualifications of those found guilty, as a particular sports federation may deem such behavior as one damaging the integrity of the game.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
So this! Fair play should always be in consideration at all times! If someone finishes Han without Guild hopping i would definitely give him\her all the praise he\she deserves and should be acknowledge by all players.
This way... when one of the guild hoppers (chinese\american\english\out of this world... whoever) finishes Han in a manner that is not in agreement with fair play conduct, it´s just an embarrassment for the all community.
This kind of thing happens in all type´s of activity\sports and it´s never a motive for raising the name of the game\sport you´re involved in.
That's great! You do whatever you'd like. No one is stopping you.
But there's only one first place and only one worldwide Han Solo unlock and you can bet your bottom we won't just sit around and watch the Chinese "net roller" us in to oblivion
And we'll all know that the world first was a cheater/exploit. Remember Lance Armstrong?
Naecabon, have you ever heard such a termin like "fair play"? Unsportsmanlike conduct, although technically may be not against the rules in a certain sports game, is something that is against the spirit of sportsmanship. And often results in huge disqualifications of those found guilty, as a particular sports federation may deem such behavior as one damaging the integrity of the game.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
It's only unsportsmanlike if and when you view it under your own artificial lens of what the definition of "fair play" entails. Major league sports have very set in stone rules over sportsmanlike conduct. It's defined through and through, and people know exactly what is allowed and what is not allowed. There are clear rules in place.
Comparing this to unsportsmanlike behavior is apples and oranges. You're only unhappy because you don't like that someone else has the ability to do something advantageous over you due to their increased size, teamwork and capability, and that is in no way unsportsmanlike. Those Chinese guys with 20+ raids in their pocket broke zero rules. They're simply winning, they're ahead. Do you see us crying over that? No.
Saying things like "the spirit of the game" again shows a lack of understanding competitive nature in gaming. The only spirit for competitive players is winning. We'll win by any means we can as long as they're legal. We don't care if you don't like it. We don't care if you don't want to personally engage in the same entirely legal practices.
Again, read. this. article. Learn something. Understand competitive gaming and stop making excuses for being unhappy that other guilds have an edge. They always will.
PS. Thinking the developers didn't expect this is almost insulting to their intelligence. Give them a little more credit than that. They probably knew full well it was possible and simply don't care. That's why there's a 24 hour cooldown on joining guilds.
Naecabon, have you ever heard such a termin like "fair play"? Unsportsmanlike conduct, although technically may be not against the rules in a certain sports game, is something that is against the spirit of sportsmanship. And often results in huge disqualifications of those found guilty, as a particular sports federation may deem such behavior as one damaging the integrity of the game.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
So this! Fair play should always be in consideration at all times! If someone finishes Han without Guild hopping i would definitely give him\her all the praise he\she deserves and should be acknowledge by all players.
This way... when one of the guild hoppers (chinese\american\english\out of this world... whoever) finishes Han in a manner that is not in agreement with fair play conduct, it´s just an embarrassment for the all community.
This kind of thing happens in all type´s of activity\sports and it´s never a motive for raising the name of the game\sport you´re involved in.
That's great! You do whatever you'd like. No one is stopping you.
But there's only one first place and only one worldwide Han Solo unlock and you can bet your bottom we won't just sit around and watch the Chinese "net roller" us in to oblivion
And we'll all know that the world first was a cheater/exploit. Remember Lance Armstrong?
But you DO remember him!
No one is cheating or exploiting, this argument is over. I'm moving on from this thread, I've said everything I possibly can and you guys still just keep responding with the same drivel.
When the Chinese win this week you can harass them with this nonsense~
Guild hopping is a not against ToC today.
If they wanted to out guard rails around guild hopping and raids, then EeeYay would put a cool down on it.
For example:
If you guild hop then you can't join heroic raids for x number of hours.
You can't guild hop more than x number of times in a month for free.
Pay x amount of $s to guild hop.
This will be a similar rule in WOW, where if you realm hop then you are not eligible to get "Realm First" achievements on the new realm.
Spartamaj
What team instinct are doing is totally legit, until the Devs say other wise. Much more legit then me precarfting. No one is stopping you from guild hopping yourself or spending more money in the game.
You say they are cheating... Please show me the code of conduct and rules of the game and NOT your interpretation of what you think they are. Till then it is very rude and unsportsmanlike to slander other players and accusing them of cheating.
Spartamaj
What team instinct are doing is totally legit, until the Devs say other wise. Much more legit then me precarfting. No one is stopping you from guild hopping yourself or spending more money in the game.
You say they are cheating... Please show me the code of conduct and rules of the game and NOT your interpretation of what you think they are. Till then it is very rude and unsportsmanlike to slander other players and accusing them of cheating.
We probably won't even do it now, this outcry has been pathetic. We'll just let the Chinese win with it and then see if all of these people bother to give them as hard a time as they love giving us.
Again, as I've said many times in this thread, we aren't the ones doing it. This was brought up because I mentioned us having to probably engage in it a few times this week to catch up to the Chinese guilds way ahead of us on total raids as a result. How many of those raids are Heroic? We don't know! But the dude has clocked in 20+ and we're definitely only at something like 13 raids, so he's probably crushing us right now.
Everyone thinks I'm supposed to only have opinions that cater to my team and I'm not allowed to engage in conversations that actually benefit our competition more than they do us, apparently.
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This is VERY different from a stand alone case of a player leaving one guild and joining another. And it is crystal clear
Could not be more in agreement with what benacrow said. This guild hopping business is just ridiculous. I guess it´s human nature acting... someone will always want to get ahead using any means possible. And this is just a game... imagine real life.
And i´m not saying this because i´m in the race for Han Solo shards, i have 0 and will have 0 for the foreseeable future. I just don´t like people taking unfair advantage... be it in a game or real life.
Again we aren't even the ones doing it! We're having to last minute hop one or two this week purely for the chance of catching up to the chinese dudes doing it way way more than us! haha
I call that insane teamwork, personally.
If the "rules" state that one dude leaving a guild and joining another, repeatedly, is allowed, then there is no difference between that and two guilds working together to do it more efficiently. It IS the same thing. One is just coordinated. So what, that's teamwork.
So far all of the anti-guild hopping arguments have boiled down to "it's cheating because we don't have two guilds right now to do it ourselves." That's not very valid.
The arguement is that you should have max 50 regular members in one guild and a player should be in just one regular guild. That is how a guild is intended.
Says who? That's just a set of completely made up rules on the spot.
When the devs come in the forums and make a mandate that guilds need to regulate themselves around 50 people exclusively and any other possible actions are considered punishable, then you'll have a leg to stand on. That has never happened, probably never will happen and until it does, you're only stating an opinion.
moral is just an opinion
Also yes, it does require teamwork. Exploits always require some sort of work.
I 100% believe none of this is an exploit whatsoever. I think you guys are trying to mix up your own personal morality in to a pseudo set of artificial "rules" that don't exist and you're trying to brush off thinking outside of the box and using all available methods possible as "exploiting." The definition of exploiting has become so watered down that the word serves almost no purpose any more.
They can patch the game however they want, but there will always be ways to gain an advantage within the parameters of fair play no matter how much you all seem to hate it. And chances are, they won't do anything about it, and months down the line this will be adopted as the "go-to" strategy for top tier guilds that want to remain competitive. If they do actually patch the game to alter this in some way, then that's great. We'll play the new game under the new rules and follow them exactly as we are right now. We've never broken the rules and we never will.
Here, what we see is very much alike. It is technically not against the current rules because the developers didn't think about such a possibility when creating this guild content (and, consequently, did not create rules against it), but of course it is against the spirit of the game (any game is first and foremost for people to have fun, not for "intense teamwork of several guilds in order to benefit from technical absense of certain restriction)
It's only unsportsmanlike if and when you view it under your own artificial lens of what the definition of "fair play" entails. Major league sports have very set in stone rules over sportsmanlike conduct. It's defined through and through, and people know exactly what is allowed and what is not allowed. There are clear rules in place.
Comparing this to unsportsmanlike behavior is apples and oranges. You're only unhappy because you don't like that someone else has the ability to do something advantageous over you due to their increased size, teamwork and capability, and that is in no way unsportsmanlike. Those Chinese guys with 20+ raids in their pocket broke zero rules. They're simply winning, they're ahead. Do you see us crying over that? No.
Saying things like "the spirit of the game" again shows a lack of understanding competitive nature in gaming. The only spirit for competitive players is winning. We'll win by any means we can as long as they're legal. We don't care if you don't like it. We don't care if you don't want to personally engage in the same entirely legal practices.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
Again, read. this. article. Learn something. Understand competitive gaming and stop making excuses for being unhappy that other guilds have an edge. They always will.
PS. Thinking the developers didn't expect this is almost insulting to their intelligence. Give them a little more credit than that. They probably knew full well it was possible and simply don't care. That's why there's a 24 hour cooldown on joining guilds.
Do you know the "net roller" in tennis or table tennis? It is not an abuse against rules, but not sportsmanship to win a point with a net roller.
There are always fair players and players who use every thing to win. There are guilds who use guild hopping to be better and guilds who don't use it. I hope that the most people are fair enough and don't use it, that people who can't use it don't have a big disadvantage.
So this! Fair play should always be in consideration at all times! If someone finishes Han without Guild hopping i would definitely give him\her all the praise he\she deserves and should be acknowledge by all players.
This way... when one of the guild hoppers (chinese\american\english\out of this world... whoever) finishes Han in a manner that is not in agreement with fair play conduct, it´s just an embarrassment for the all community.
This kind of thing happens in all type´s of activity\sports and it´s never a motive for raising the name of the game\sport you´re involved in.
That's great! You do whatever you'd like. No one is stopping you.
But there's only one first place and only one worldwide Han Solo unlock and you can bet your bottom we won't just sit around and watch the Chinese "net roller" us in to oblivion
Keep living in fantasy land my friend.
If something is possible in the game and isn't addressed by the Devs then it's Kosher.
Some folks can do 3 GWs on Tuesdays GW challenge while others can only do 2 because of Time zone resets. Does that mean folks that can do 3 GWs stop?
Should I have not precrafted?
Some players pay thousands of dollars while others don't. Does that mean that the players who paid should just limit themselves to farmamble toons? This whole sportsman ship argument doesn't make sense. It's flawed and biased.
To run 1 guild takes a lot of effort, to run 2 guilds is probably double... You're dealing with a 100 players. So if team instinct enjoys doing this, then more power to them, it's not my cup of tea.
On a side note, this game has lots of bugs and a lot of ways to convince people to spend more time and money on it, in sometimes sinister ways. I like the Devs but EA is not my friend and I know EA doesn't have my best interest but their invevestors. So if there are ways to use the games system to gain an advantage over it, by all means go for it!
At least that is where such accounts belong (and it wouldn't affect their ability to continue farming Han Solo via "great intense teamwork" as well, so everything would be done perfectly within the boundaries even by Naecabon's "Spirit does not exist" standards).
Spirit exists, it just means different things to different people.
Again, you can make as many replies comparing Solo to Vader as you'd like, but it means nothing - the devs aren't dumb. They're not the same thing, at all. You're just rabblerousing a dead cause.
You are cheating /exploiting. Nothing surprising here from someonewho has to pay to be good in a game.
I'M not doing a thing but I respect and appreciate your animosity.
And we'll all know that the world first was a cheater/exploit. Remember Lance Armstrong?
But you DO remember him!
No one is cheating or exploiting, this argument is over. I'm moving on from this thread, I've said everything I possibly can and you guys still just keep responding with the same drivel.
When the Chinese win this week you can harass them with this nonsense~
If they wanted to out guard rails around guild hopping and raids, then EeeYay would put a cool down on it.
For example:
If you guild hop then you can't join heroic raids for x number of hours.
You can't guild hop more than x number of times in a month for free.
Pay x amount of $s to guild hop.
This will be a similar rule in WOW, where if you realm hop then you are not eligible to get "Realm First" achievements on the new realm.
What team instinct are doing is totally legit, until the Devs say other wise. Much more legit then me precarfting. No one is stopping you from guild hopping yourself or spending more money in the game.
You say they are cheating... Please show me the code of conduct and rules of the game and NOT your interpretation of what you think they are. Till then it is very rude and unsportsmanlike to slander other players
We probably won't even do it now, this outcry has been pathetic. We'll just let the Chinese win with it and then see if all of these people bother to give them as hard a time as they love giving us.
Again, as I've said many times in this thread, we aren't the ones doing it. This was brought up because I mentioned us having to probably engage in it a few times this week to catch up to the Chinese guilds way ahead of us on total raids as a result. How many of those raids are Heroic? We don't know! But the dude has clocked in 20+ and we're definitely only at something like 13 raids, so he's probably crushing us right now.
Everyone thinks I'm supposed to only have opinions that cater to my team and I'm not allowed to engage in conversations that actually benefit our competition more than they do us, apparently.