Why are we loosing P2P players?
July 18, 2016 11:59AM
edited July 2016
I think it is human nature to feel valued and have a perception of value.
The Mod debacle has highlighted that a majority of us feel betrayed both those who put in early and purchased of crystals and credits for naught and the later who want to catchup but can't due to the rubbish drop rates. Basically both the past and the future all have been burned.
This has lead to (because of the shock loss of value) for players to evaluate their collections and realize that the hours which they have invested in this game was not of value at all.
I won't outline precrafting et al because that is not the crux of my observation. It is the betrayal of the community which now has caused many P2P players to F2P. (Not to mention those who have quit outright)
How can you get these players back? Will freebies do it ? IMHO No it will not. The only way forward now is to prove to the players/payers that the original game that we installed and its quality is in the future development. Communication is the key here.
Will this affect the new incoming players ? Probably not and I hope for the sake of the game you don't get any who remember and understand what happened to us in the last couple weeks. I am classed prior to the mod nerf as kraken and I will be going F2P as my new challenge.
The Mod debacle has highlighted that a majority of us feel betrayed both those who put in early and purchased of crystals and credits for naught and the later who want to catchup but can't due to the rubbish drop rates. Basically both the past and the future all have been burned.
This has lead to (because of the shock loss of value) for players to evaluate their collections and realize that the hours which they have invested in this game was not of value at all.
I won't outline precrafting et al because that is not the crux of my observation. It is the betrayal of the community which now has caused many P2P players to F2P. (Not to mention those who have quit outright)
How can you get these players back? Will freebies do it ? IMHO No it will not. The only way forward now is to prove to the players/payers that the original game that we installed and its quality is in the future development. Communication is the key here.
Will this affect the new incoming players ? Probably not and I hope for the sake of the game you don't get any who remember and understand what happened to us in the last couple weeks. I am classed prior to the mod nerf as kraken and I will be going F2P as my new challenge.
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So funny thing happens when you have money to spend on a game. You move on quickly. The F2P players wanted to yell and scream. If EA would have just waited it out like supercell it would have passed. Now they have a game that is owned by the F2P and so paying players can't stay.
lmao, the epitome of P2W mentality. Why even bother "playing"...
Wait, what? As p2p you didn't feel like all the money you spent on gear was totally wasted since it all become obsolete overnight? Many people spent thousands on gear and hundreds of hours just to wake up and find that overnight that investment in the game was for nothing.
Exactly. I have quit games that I payed to win before cause it's so boring without decent competion and wins are meaningless when you only get them cause of your pocketbook.
EA/CG need to get to work.....yesterday and fix this properly, spare no expense, unlimited overtime, working weekends and nights, that's how hard this issue should be focused, nothing less, no days off, no vacation time, 30 minute lunches, whatever resources needed, hire more people, whatever is needed to repair the damaged reputations EA and CG have. News flash boys, most people I speak to will never buy another game from EA or CG ever, including myself!!!!!!!
Don't count on it. EA/CG do not care. They made their cash grab, probably enough to earn bonuses because of people who have too much money and not enough morals. Get used to it, you're just someone to be fleeced.
Doesn't that 1-2% represent the larger whole? Or do people really only show up when they're peeved? I came looking for tips, only later realized it was a good place to vent about ineptitudes and cash grabs and whatever.
Since I'm here all the time I believe most people just come here to complain. Barley ever does someone come here and say something positive. So that's why it seems like the forum is always negative. Its pretty much this, how many people call customer service and say how well they like the product? Pretty much no one. That's why everyone was here conplaining about the 1st gen mods and when they fixed them they all disapeared.
Huh? It wasn't the f2p players complaining ONLY. Nobody remembers Ti posting about mods and effectively shutting their spending down?
It took me 1.3 millionish credits to level 6 mods for ONE toon to get them all from level 1 to level 15 and now it costs triple the amount.
It already costs 4.6 million credits plus training droids to level a toon from 1-80. That doesn't even account for the stars. Stars from level level 4 to level 7 are 1.75 million. Now account for gear crafting costs and purple mat costs. I don't have those figures as they vary per toon. Now stick 3 million on top of that for mods. We're looking at minimum 10 MILLION CREDITS to max a toon. IF you can complete GW, GW now awards:
511k total for completion
435,300 total for completing node 11
363,900 total for completing node 10
So, basically, it would take you 20+ days to max a toon depending on various factors. Also, count the cost of equipping mods and removing them for maximum results.
They put that carrot WAY out in front of the horse and killed it.
To elaborate more, it was too much, too soon, paying players saw it for what it was and said forget it. It totally disrupted the flow of the game, paying payers came to a screeching halt and said ENOUGH. Just a week ago, everything we purchased (scanners from shipments, anyone?) was nerfed to the ground from 40% potency to 10% potency (and yes, I understand the number rework). Stars didn't matter, gear didn't matter and Level didn't matter. It was a hard reset with barely a warning other than a teaser picture. Also, mods for those 48 hours COMPLETELY broke raids, Arena to a point and every other facet of the game. There's still gear that doesn't appear (the blank gears past X or XI). THAT would have been a natural progression of the game. This was precraft 2.0 on a grander scale.
I'll bet players are wishing now that the level cap was raised to 90 instead of mods being introduced. Money still would have been spent but a lot of people threatened to quit over that too if it came too soon.
Now, I see there is no way I can play as I used to, not without becoming a whale. I just cannot work on diversity as a P2P. I'll have to concentrate on modding up my Arena team, at least 10 toons for GW,then start on levelling and upgrading all the toons I have so that I can complete the mod challenges. It cannot be done, not with my aversion to the outright cash grab the credit packs are. Everything needs credits and there's none on sight.
As F2P, I can and will take things slowly. And I won't be mad once EA opens up more avenues for spending credits while squeezing whatever sources you already had. I will no longer worry that EA doesn't understand how I can justify spending cash on Rex or Rey or any of the Star Wars toons but I really am going to hate being forced to spend on generic virtual currency. All of us know this, the credit crunch is going to get worse. All hail the Galaxy of Credits. Buy as much as you can cos you sure can't earn them. Unless you're a F2P and are willing to grind and manage. So... I'll manage.
We are in the same boat my friend. Same boat. It's been hard to not spend, but with the volatile nature of the game lately, I'm in a holding pattern. No vaults for me. I didn't even re-up my crystal sub for this month.
This is exactly it for me. The amount of credits needed were pushed too far past anything realistic that it was a no brainer for me to throw in the towel on any hope of the game regaining any sort of playibility for me.
Edit: Plus all that other stuff.
Problem is, it will always be like that on mobile games, P2P needs to spend money from time to time.
But I agree it's not a perfect barometer.
Especially when you reach your 50s..
Allegedly...
I hope Lucasarts is taking notes. With this game and Battlefront EA is showing their true colors and motivations for this franchise. They care for nothing but how much they can get quickly and then move to some new SW game/idea for milking more customer cash. They don't care for the fun factor or longevity of the game unless they are going to go in the red on it. Pretty sure this game has met it's quota in their books. It will continue to evolve into cash grabs and grindfests until they shut the servers down.
A lot of the community has seen this and word has traveled quickly on the internet as it usually does. It was a fun and original game sad to see it go this route.
I love ignorant posts like this. I've been trying to keep up with the forums ever since the update, and even though I know it must make you feel better to blame this on all of the f2p players I have some interesting news for you.
It wasn't just f2p players complaining. In fact, if you actually read many of the threads/posts, you will see that quite a few p2p players were upset as well. If blaming the entire thing on f2p players helps you sleep well at night, then go ahead I guess. Must be bliss, y'know, being ignorant.....
New must have rogue characters will completely kill off the game.
They need to give something BIG back to us before they can expect any cash injection. Even if you come to the game late you'll read the reviews and think F that.
Whales will still spend and keep the game afloat despite dev's bad decisions. You are wrong.
I've stopped spending. Many big spenders have stopped spending. It's all over the forums. Many have stopped playing.
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That says otherwise. They were up over 100k a week ago, 80 something after mods and now this.
@pac0naut
That's still over 1.8 million a month. So, yea...
People seem to like being:
HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's a bad mother..... HUSH YO MOUF!