Incoming Changes to Vader Zeta!
February 8, 2017 5:54PM
edited February 2017
Since I imagine a lot of people only look here and not in the bug forum thought it was important to flag this here:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/90495/tfp-steaing-tm#latest
I'm fine with them fixing "bugs" but if they do so need to fix other issues with the Zeta, namely that some dmg doesn't trigger a check, most importantly Emperors end of turn unique dmg to rebels and jedi never removes tm (unless they are shocked).
Also, depending on how much this changes things assume we should and will get a refund just like what happened for the Barris "fix".
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/90495/tfp-steaing-tm#latest
Hiya!
It appears the bug you've mentioned is with Vaders ZETA leader ability, and *not* with the TIE Fighter Pilot. Two bugs have been flagged regarding this, and- barring any wacky unforeseen shenanigans- should be addressed in our upcoming update.
I'm fine with them fixing "bugs" but if they do so need to fix other issues with the Zeta, namely that some dmg doesn't trigger a check, most importantly Emperors end of turn unique dmg to rebels and jedi never removes tm (unless they are shocked).
Also, depending on how much this changes things assume we should and will get a refund just like what happened for the Barris "fix".
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Crackling Doom should not remove TM. This is WAI.
How so?
Crackling Doom: At the end of each of his turns, Palpatine deals Special damage to all Shocked enemies and then deals Special damage to all Jedi and Rebel enemies. This damage can't defeat enemies.
Vader Lead: Empire and Sith allies gain 30% Offense and have a 50% chance to remove 20% Turn Meter when they damage an enemy. This Turn Meter removal can't be Resisted. While Darth Vader is alive, enemies immediately regain Damage Over Time for 2 turns whenever Damage Over Time expires on them.
Crackling Doom is clearly Palpatine dealing damage. Vader is clearly when Empire and Sith allies deal dmg.
That said, I'll wait to see how they fix the bug before complaining...
Just like the Barris/Sthan unique will stunned.
WAI but not WAD (described)
Crackling doom can trigger biggs if it crits, it's just not tagged as Empire_Damage in game. If it can trigger him to on a crit, it should be allowed to remove TM imo. Change one of the two.
With that in mind, it sounds like there could be issues with coding crackling doom and how it affects other mechanics. This might get fixed right after stealth/Teebo
If after the change the person wants to put it back, then that's thier choice. But let's avoid the whole bait and switch. IMO
@CG_Kozispoon
I honestly didn't know Crackling Doom could crit, but that is a clear indication that it is counted as damage, just not as empire damage. That should be a bug, because it is in fact Emperor Palpatine doing the damage. It *should* always trigger Biggs, and under a Zader lead it should give a chance at TM reduction.
But yeah, I think @Obs0lete is probably right that that will be fixed right after they fix Teebo.
Agreed, they just need to make Crackling Doom not trigger Biggs when it crits. It doesn't give him 100% TM if it's a non crit because it's just in game as special_damage, but if it crits it gives Biggs 100% TM and that's out of the players control. Like you can choose not to attack Biggs, but can still get screwed by the crackling doom being a crit. If you attack him, then yeah you made the choice and let him gain TM on crits, but if you actually choose to avoid him and the crackling doom crits, that takes out strategy.
It's a chance to remove not a guarantee. So he can damage all jedi but never remove tm.
I usually shock Biggs early in the fight, just to be sure. Wiggs combo going off every few turns is too dangerous to risk.
Yeah, but you can't shock him with Tenacity Up, and sometimes theres still a taunt up when EP goes. If you shock the taunter and Biggs get crit from crackling doom, you shouldn't really be punished for that. If you make the choice to attack him directly, or AOE then yeah let his TM gain go off, but damage that you can't control at all shouldn't negatively impact you like that.
I'd be fine with that, but there's a big difference from the Barriss case here; her change clearly made her zeta less powerful, while if Crackling Doom were to trigger TM removal under zeta Vader, that would only make the zeta even more powerful. Who would ever beg for a refund of materials in that case? One could make the argument that had they known that CD would be reprogrammed to trigger TM removal, they would have put their zeta on Vader over someone else. I know that I would in a heartbeat.
Yea but it can't be resisted and it's a 50% chance. That just makes using Jedi vs a Zader with palp an RNG death trap.
If that's the case then give my Jedi a unique that occurs every single turn that has a 50% chance to slap palp in the face. Remember there is a chance of palp not getting slapped in the face.
I see your argument and raise you a Zariss bugfix.
Zariss was also a description change.
I think it functions like Director Krennic's and Emporer Palpatine's leader ability, in which the bonus effect only works if they damage the enemy during their turn, so crackling doom wouldn't work that way
Except it will remove TM from shocked opponents.
Every zeta on my shard is Vader with a palp besides mine.
Zarriss was a wording problem, if you read it, and you saw it happen it was exactly as it explained other than it kept going after she died, which just wasn't even mentioned at all.
Zader says directly "When an empire/sith ally damages an enemy" as in, if you're TFP and you're only damaging 1 person you shouldn't be removing TM from all 5 enemies. Zarriss was arguable either way, this is very much arguable by one side, not really the other.
I'm not saying they should refund Zetas, but just give the 20 Zetas back, and nothing else. We've already profited from it plenty.
Anything empire that deals damage has 50% chance to remove tm...period.
It's pretty specific...you cant just cherry pick stuff you dont like dude.
Otherwise ability would say...
Vader Lead: Empire and Sith allies gain 30% Offense and have a 50% chance to remove 20% Turn Meter when they damage an enemy. This Turn Meter removal can't be Resisted. While Darth Vader is alive, enemies immediately regain Damage Over Time for 2 turns whenever Damage Over Time expires on them. except palpatines crackling doom and power of the dark side and let the hate flow and tie fighter pilots TIE strike and grand moff tarkins ultimate firepower and deathpoopers deathpooper grenade and krennics deathpooper assault and general veers ruthless assault and magmapoopers line of fire and thermal imploder and snowpoopers overwhelming assault.
If AOE's were excluded the vader lead should read like the latter.
Ya, that might be unintended though
This. Zarris was not working as the Devs wanted it to work. They had to change the description of her Zeta.