Possible Phoenix Counters
Here's my idea for a counter to Phoenix Squadron:
Nihilus (L)
Palpatine (shock, stun to prevent buffs, counters, assists, health/protection/tm gain)
Dooku (same as palp but is also crazy good under Nihilus lead)
Maul (daze to prevent assists and counters, but might be too slow w/out zeta lead to be viable)
Zarris (frequent enemy attacks with crits give allies health and debuffs allies)
obviously there are many other possible counter toons (TFP, B2, Deathtrooper, zaul lead) but what do y'all think?
Nihilus (L)
Palpatine (shock, stun to prevent buffs, counters, assists, health/protection/tm gain)
Dooku (same as palp but is also crazy good under Nihilus lead)
Maul (daze to prevent assists and counters, but might be too slow w/out zeta lead to be viable)
Zarris (frequent enemy attacks with crits give allies health and debuffs allies)
obviously there are many other possible counter toons (TFP, B2, Deathtrooper, zaul lead) but what do y'all think?
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Killing Hera wont do anything since its her leader ability.
Lolz need to kill kanen to stop them counters
Actually, Kanan is probably the first one to kill. After that, no more counters and heal on debuff for others (if Hera lead works as described), so it should be easy.
That's true, but he'll easily be over 100k health with average mods on him (cause of the other unique abilities), so good luck killing him with anyone but nihilus.
Rebels fanboys have immunity to intellect.
Hey, now
SA could be very helpful here as she can ignore all that crazy protection gains and attack health only.
Plus they don't have any intervention abilities (gaining tm when attacked, intercepting, etc), so they just sit there after the taunts are dispelled. I'm imagining them being similar to the reworked FO team in arena. Not that good on D, but could be fun on offense or elsewhere.
Chill out. Lets wait until they're seen in action to make judgements like that
I think you forgot you put Nihilus as lead when you added Zarriss as your fifth. Nihilus lead doesn't allow any type of heal except health steal.
The optimal team for beating what we have seen so far is Zaul lead, Zidious, and Nihilus. Stealth and daze both prevent counterattacks, and Sid does heal immunity that blocks the rest. Throw in a Sith Assassin to make sure your Sith go first and all three of the Phoenix squad revealed so far don't have a single unique among them.
I'm not super happy that the perfect counter to what is supposed to be a powerful new team just happens to be the most meta team already in use. Hopefully the remaining team members have something that will keep Zaul from smashing them flat without even noticing the bump.
I've looked through every possible scenario. Team cannot be beat. It's the team thats finally gonna break the game.
Or the next wiggs chaze killer team
Lol. You have no idea how the team will play out. Yeah, it will be good, but we haven't even seen stats for zeb, sabine, or ezra
It can be beat. They aren't that fast from the start and they don't have a mass cleansing ability. They will be very susceptible to debuffs, especially shock, buff immunity, healing immunity and daze. DoTs probably won't be very helpful in this case, and speed down doesn't seem as good as it could be as they all gain TM when using specials unless they're already shocked/dazed. This team doesn't look unbeatable at all. It looks powerful, but certainly beatable.
What is the speed of Ezra and Sabine in your scenario?
617 and 588 respectively I believe.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Two out of the three Phoenix members have a unique. Chopper and Kan.