True, I think they could've toned down his leader ability a bit though.
I guess but it is a zeta, no going back, no further to go.... (I don't think they will rework him again)
Yep. I just feel like with the zader meta we saw a lot more diversity. Now it's just all zaul.
Just looked in my top 20. 12 non-Zaul leads. 8/20 isn't quite "all"
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True, I think they could've toned down his leader ability a bit though.
I guess but it is a zeta, no going back, no further to go.... (I don't think they will rework him again)
Yep. I just feel like with the zader meta we saw a lot more diversity. Now it's just all zaul.
Just looked in my top 20. 12 non-Zaul leads. 8/20 isn't quite "all"
Youre shard doesnt apply to everyone and neither does mine. But my shard it's 40+ of top 50 zaul.
Couple weeks back we had tons of zader, fo, resistance, zqgj and droids. The fo team is still there but he drops to 40ish daily. I guess that was just the transition period to zaul meta.
Take a seat or get out? I prefer to beat them with 99% win rate instead. Like i did with the Wiggs meta too. You can follow the meta but I prefer to counter it because it is more fun.
3? Collect Rex from fleet shop. Oh you want the zetas instead. It's a choice. Chirrut could be obtained from tournament and a 4-5* is more than arena viable. Baze can be collected from shipments, it's up to you whether you spend your crystals on gear or on his shards. GK is free from hAAT and all we got a free DN. Again, it's a choice. I know free to play people with this squad.
And to be honest I really don't understand this pay wall thing. Only all star mods are hard to manage if you are free to play but if I want to be honest, no one told you you should be rank 1-10 in your arena for free. However we have 100% free to play guys and they are there. Still. So yeah this is cure. Also Boba and Kylo are great on offense against Sith. Think, act, win. That's the cure
True, I think they could've toned down his leader ability a bit though.
I guess but it is a zeta, no going back, no further to go.... (I don't think they will rework him again)
Yep. I just feel like with the zader meta we saw a lot more diversity. Now it's just all zaul.
Just looked in my top 20. 12 non-Zaul leads. 8/20 isn't quite "all"
Youre shard doesnt apply to everyone and neither does mine. But my shard it's 40+ of top 50 zaul.
Couple weeks back we had tons of zader, fo, resistance, zqgj and droids. The fo team is still there but he drops to 40ish daily. I guess that was just the transition period to zaul meta.
there must be alot of players in your top50 if there were tons of zader, fo, resistance zqgj and droid teams in there.
All kidding aside, according to the swgoh.gg meta report less than half of the top1, top10 and top100 players use zmaul as their leader. It's probably the most reliable source of information we have at our disposal.
True, I think they could've toned down his leader ability a bit though.
I guess but it is a zeta, no going back, no further to go.... (I don't think they will rework him again)
Yep. I just feel like with the zader meta we saw a lot more diversity. Now it's just all zaul.
Just looked in my top 20. 12 non-Zaul leads. 8/20 isn't quite "all"
Youre shard doesnt apply to everyone and neither does mine. But my shard it's 40+ of top 50 zaul.
Couple weeks back we had tons of zader, fo, resistance, zqgj and droids. The fo team is still there but he drops to 40ish daily. I guess that was just the transition period to zaul meta.
there must be alot of players in your top50 if there were tons of zader, fo, resistance zqgj and droid teams in there.
All kidding aside, according to the swgoh.gg meta report less than half of the top1, top10 and top100 players use zmaul as their leader. It's probably the most reliable source of information we have at our disposal.
The tons part only applied to zader...
43% of number one players use zaul. That's an absurd number considering the amount of playable characters with leader abilities there are.
True, I think they could've toned down his leader ability a bit though.
I guess but it is a zeta, no going back, no further to go.... (I don't think they will rework him again)
Yep. I just feel like with the zader meta we saw a lot more diversity. Now it's just all zaul.
Just looked in my top 20. 12 non-Zaul leads. 8/20 isn't quite "all"
Youre shard doesnt apply to everyone and neither does mine. But my shard it's 40+ of top 50 zaul.
Couple weeks back we had tons of zader, fo, resistance, zqgj and droids. The fo team is still there but he drops to 40ish daily. I guess that was just the transition period to zaul meta.
I find 40 out of the top 50 a little hard to believe. I mean sure theres probably a lot, but theres only 17 Zaul teams in my top 50 and I'm on a early december 2015 shard. Theres plenty of other teams in there. zQGJ (only like 4 now, there were more). A couple of Zaders (Used to be around 20 of these), 1 Zhasma + Zylo and 1 Zhasma + zFOST, a fair amount of Rex leads, a fair amount of Boba (L) + Zylo + a cleanser (usually GK), one or two GK leads, a full R1 team (Zeta'd Jyn), the one token Zooku (L) + Zoba + Zylo (This guy just likes to regain protection I guess lol), a couple of Nihilus leads (Zetad), a Finn (zeta) lead, and then one EP lead (48th) and one HK lead (His JE is still the second fastest character in the shard behind only one of the Sith Assassins under Zaul, but he's at 42nd), and then some Wedge leads down in the 40s as well, but they aren't running full Rebel teams anymore and just don't seem to have Zetas yet.
3? Collect Rex from fleet shop. Oh you want the zetas instead. It's a choice. Chirrut could be obtained from tournament and a 4-5* is more than arena viable. Baze can be collected from shipments, it's up to you whether you spend your crystals on gear or on his shards. GK is free from hAAT and all we got a free DN. Again, it's a choice. I know free to play people with this squad.
And to be honest I really don't understand this pay wall thing. Only all star mods are hard to manage if you are free to play but if I want to be honest, no one told you you should be rank 1-10 in your arena for free. However we have 100% free to play guys and they are there. Still. So yeah this is cure. Also Boba and Kylo are great on offense against Sith. Think, act, win. That's the cure
I got my Chirrut from Tournament for free. All I did was saving enough AP and skipped the tournament before. Guess what, I advised this to all my guild mates. Pass every other tournament and build huge amount of AP for every other one. It helped me a lot because all the competition used 300-400k and I used 700-800k. Guess what, I was always around the top because I passed every other tournaments. And yes I'm saying you don't need to spend all the crystals on energy, it is a choice. I'm not talking about 7* ones but 3-5* does the job. They are chromiumns anyway currently, wgich means they can be farmable within weeks as EA/CG said. If you think about them as paywall ones, then OK. Collect them later. Zauls bought a month advantage then. Because you can collect the gear in the meantime and you can be ready by the release, like most of us could get GK to g10-11 on the day we unlocked because we precrafted and collected all the gears. I know it can be painful but it is what it is. I would not expect evrything for free in an IAP game.
3? Collect Rex from fleet shop. Oh you want the zetas instead. It's a choice. Chirrut could be obtained from tournament and a 4-5* is more than arena viable. Baze can be collected from shipments, it's up to you whether you spend your crystals on gear or on his shards. GK is free from hAAT and all we got a free DN. Again, it's a choice. I know free to play people with this squad.
And to be honest I really don't understand this pay wall thing. Only all star mods are hard to manage if you are free to play but if I want to be honest, no one told you you should be rank 1-10 in your arena for free. However we have 100% free to play guys and they are there. Still. So yeah this is cure. Also Boba and Kylo are great on offense against Sith. Think, act, win. That's the cure
True, I think they could've toned down his leader ability a bit though.
I guess but it is a zeta, no going back, no further to go.... (I don't think they will rework him again)
Yep. I just feel like with the zader meta we saw a lot more diversity. Now it's just all zaul.
Just looked in my top 20. 12 non-Zaul leads. 8/20 isn't quite "all"
Youre shard doesnt apply to everyone and neither does mine. But my shard it's 40+ of top 50 zaul.
Couple weeks back we had tons of zader, fo, resistance, zqgj and droids. The fo team is still there but he drops to 40ish daily. I guess that was just the transition period to zaul meta.
I find 40 out of the top 50 a little hard to believe. I mean sure theres probably a lot, but theres only 17 Zaul teams in my top 50 and I'm on a early december 2015 shard. Theres plenty of other teams in there. zQGJ (only like 4 now, there were more). A couple of Zaders (Used to be around 20 of these), 1 Zhasma + Zylo and 1 Zhasma + zFOST, a fair amount of Rex leads, a fair amount of Boba (L) + Zylo + a cleanser (usually GK), one or two GK leads, a full R1 team (Zeta'd Jyn), the one token Zooku (L) + Zoba + Zylo (This guy just likes to regain protection I guess lol), a couple of Nihilus leads (Zetad), a Finn (zeta) lead, and then one EP lead (48th) and one HK lead (His JE is still the second fastest character in the shard behind only one of the Sith Assassins under Zaul, but he's at 42nd), and then some Wedge leads down in the 40s as well, but they aren't running full Rebel teams anymore and just don't seem to have Zetas yet.
Yep you're right I counted there's only 31. But it seems like everyday everyone is switching zaul lead. Everyone seem to be making the switch .
I got my Chirrut from Tournament for free. All I did was saving enough AP and skipped the tournament before. Guess what, I advised this to all my guild mates. Pass every other tournament and build huge amount of AP for every other one. It helped me a lot because all the competition used 300-400k and I used 700-800k. Guess what, I was always around the top because I passed every other tournaments. And yes I'm saying you don't need to spend all the crystals on energy, it is a choice. I'm not talking about 7* ones but 3-5* does the job.
3? Collect Rex from fleet shop. Oh you want the zetas instead. It's a choice. Chirrut could be obtained from tournament and a 4-5* is more than arena viable. Baze can be collected from shipments, it's up to you whether you spend your crystals on gear or on his shards. GK is free from hAAT and all we got a free DN. Again, it's a choice. I know free to play people with this squad.
And to be honest I really don't understand this pay wall thing. Only all star mods are hard to manage if you are free to play but if I want to be honest, no one told you you should be rank 1-10 in your arena for free. However we have 100% free to play guys and they are there. Still. So yeah this is cure. Also Boba and Kylo are great on offense against Sith. Think, act, win. That's the cure
Zaul is cancer to the arena and there isn't a cure. Just gotta accept that.
3 paywall characters? Not a cure but ok.
Are you really saying chaze aren't paywall characters?
I had a thing called 'real life' that day. And if your f2p saving up crystals for Chaze it's gonna take months. They are paywall characters there's no argument here.
3? Collect Rex from fleet shop. Oh you want the zetas instead. It's a choice. Chirrut could be obtained from tournament and a 4-5* is more than arena viable. Baze can be collected from shipments, it's up to you whether you spend your crystals on gear or on his shards. GK is free from hAAT and all we got a free DN. Again, it's a choice. I know free to play people with this squad.
And to be honest I really don't understand this pay wall thing. Only all star mods are hard to manage if you are free to play but if I want to be honest, no one told you you should be rank 1-10 in your arena for free. However we have 100% free to play guys and they are there. Still. So yeah this is cure. Also Boba and Kylo are great on offense against Sith. Think, act, win. That's the cure
Zaul is cancer to the arena and there isn't a cure. Just gotta accept that.
3 paywall characters? Not a cure but ok.
Are you really saying chaze aren't paywall characters?
Depends on people's definition of paywall. A handful of people were able to get Chaze for free, and most people do indeed have Darth Nihilus. A lot of people don't see characters they aren't able to farm as free however.
I'm having to buy additional DT shards through shipments, which I calculated as going to be almost 2K crystals to next star level. To me that's a paywall, others not so much.
Are zetas and GK considered "paywall" at this point still? Rex leader with GK (multi cleanse) does very well vs. Sith.
Also, zJinn comps with GK and zBarriss are also great vs. Sith. Don't need Chirrut / Baze. Even if GK is 5*. At some point he has to be considered a non-paywall / non-whale toon. Idk if everyone would agree we are at that point yet though.....
True, I think they could've toned down his leader ability a bit though.
I guess but it is a zeta, no going back, no further to go.... (I don't think they will rework him again)
Yep. I just feel like with the zader meta we saw a lot more diversity. Now it's just all zaul.
Just looked in my top 20. 12 non-Zaul leads. 8/20 isn't quite "all"
Youre shard doesnt apply to everyone and neither does mine. But my shard it's 40+ of top 50 zaul.
Couple weeks back we had tons of zader, fo, resistance, zqgj and droids. The fo team is still there but he drops to 40ish daily. I guess that was just the transition period to zaul meta.
there must be alot of players in your top50 if there were tons of zader, fo, resistance zqgj and droid teams in there.
All kidding aside, according to the swgoh.gg meta report less than half of the top1, top10 and top100 players use zmaul as their leader. It's probably the most reliable source of information we have at our disposal.
The tons part only applied to zader...
43% of number one players use zaul. That's an absurd number considering the amount of playable characters with leader abilities there are.
It's the flavor of the month
I don't see zMaul lasting much personally and might fade out by may
It's tough to face them but they're trending right now because word of mouth and 3 new siths that were dropped last month
In our guild all the originals have 6* GK and most of them get him to 7* by next week. Free to play guys too. Totally agree with you. I just showed a team I use cause I have them but as I mentioned and I'm glad you did it too, they are not must. And don't forget about Boba and Kylo. They are great too.
Are zetas and GK considered "paywall" at this point still? Rex leader with GK (multi cleanse) does very well vs. Sith.
Also, zJinn comps with GK and zBarriss are also great vs. Sith. Don't need Chirrut / Baze. Even if GK is 5*. At some point he has to be considered a non-paywall / non-whale toon. Idk if everyone would agree we are at that point yet though.....
In our guild all the originals have 6* GK and most of them get him to 7* by next week. Free to play guys too. Totally agree with you. I just showed a team I use cause I have them but as I mentioned and I'm glad you did it too, they are not must. And don't forget about Boba and Kylo. They are great too.
Are zetas and GK considered "paywall" at this point still? Rex leader with GK (multi cleanse) does very well vs. Sith.
Also, zJinn comps with GK and zBarriss are also great vs. Sith. Don't need Chirrut / Baze. Even if GK is 5*. At some point he has to be considered a non-paywall / non-whale toon. Idk if everyone would agree we are at that point yet though.....
In our guild all the originals have 6* GK and most of them get him to 7* by next week. Free to play guys too. Totally agree with you. I just showed a team I use cause I have them but as I mentioned and I'm glad you did it too, they are not must. And don't forget about Boba and Kylo. They are great too.
Are zetas and GK considered "paywall" at this point still? Rex leader with GK (multi cleanse) does very well vs. Sith.
Also, zJinn comps with GK and zBarriss are also great vs. Sith. Don't need Chirrut / Baze. Even if GK is 5*. At some point he has to be considered a non-paywall / non-whale toon. Idk if everyone would agree we are at that point yet though.....
Show me a video of you beating a good zaul team without chaze and I'll be impressed.
I don't want to impress you and you can have a good Zaul team which can beat other good Zaul teams for free. Zaul, EP, DN, SA, Trooper. All free and you do not need them at 7* to do that. As far as i remember this thread is about Sith everywhere. I wanted to show you do not need to follow it. I don't feel bad cause you don't have the toons to do it.
In our guild all the originals have 6* GK and most of them get him to 7* by next week. Free to play guys too. Totally agree with you. I just showed a team I use cause I have them but as I mentioned and I'm glad you did it too, they are not must. And don't forget about Boba and Kylo. They are great too.
Are zetas and GK considered "paywall" at this point still? Rex leader with GK (multi cleanse) does very well vs. Sith.
Also, zJinn comps with GK and zBarriss are also great vs. Sith. Don't need Chirrut / Baze. Even if GK is 5*. At some point he has to be considered a non-paywall / non-whale toon. Idk if everyone would agree we are at that point yet though.....
Show me a video of you beating a good zaul team without chaze and I'll be impressed.
In our guild all the originals have 6* GK and most of them get him to 7* by next week. Free to play guys too. Totally agree with you. I just showed a team I use cause I have them but as I mentioned and I'm glad you did it too, they are not must. And don't forget about Boba and Kylo. They are great too.
Are zetas and GK considered "paywall" at this point still? Rex leader with GK (multi cleanse) does very well vs. Sith.
Also, zJinn comps with GK and zBarriss are also great vs. Sith. Don't need Chirrut / Baze. Even if GK is 5*. At some point he has to be considered a non-paywall / non-whale toon. Idk if everyone would agree we are at that point yet though.....
Show me a video of you beating a good zaul team without chaze and I'll be impressed.
My Zaul team can beat good Zaul teams without Chaze.
Boba (L), EP, Zylo, TFP, DT in third on my shard rn. He can beat good Zaul teams w/o Chaze. (He just got his DT from 3* to 4* yesterday through shipments) Thats a pretty f2p team that can beat the Zaul teams w/o Chaze, and his TFP is slower than most of the Zaul teams. He can also beat the triple cleanse "zaul meta counter" team with relative ease.
I liked the discussion title when I clicked on it, after reading the posts I'm chuffed to bits. I've been away for 4 months and haven't played the game, but got Darth Nahilius which was good. The main reason I started playing this game was to ultimately have a competitive all Sith/Empire Arena team and seems I've come back to SWGOH at the right time.
"UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!!!!!!" ... *Mace flies out the window and into oblivion*
Two things here:
1. In my personal opinion, the complain is not about being sith, or other faction. The problem is that after the release of new toons (or reworks of old ones), a certain team becomes META miles away from other teams. Devs should care more about balance and have a real stone-scissors-paper scenario. (Disclaimer, I have beaten zaul teams with other set up, but when reaching teams with godly mods, other teams with similar class mods, mainly speed, cannot make it)
IMO this is right on point, and from what I can see a huge problem. Rebels have been considered overpowered for a while before the recent toons and updates, and the solution to overpowered characters is not to create more overpowered characters or abilities... The characters IMO need to be balanced, the compensation for really strong characters shouldn't be other really strong characters, its just stupid.
Two things here:
1. In my personal opinion, the complain is not about being sith, or other faction. The problem is that after the release of new toons (or reworks of old ones), a certain team becomes META miles away from other teams. Devs should care more about balance and have a real stone-scissors-paper scenario. (Disclaimer, I have beaten zaul teams with other set up, but when reaching teams with godly mods, other teams with similar class mods, mainly speed, cannot make it)
2. Dodge. The most dumb mechanic in a strategy/upgrade game such this one.
i do agree about balance. this speed dominates all is not a competitive scenario and requires no stragedy whatsoever.
Ever thought, hmm that's a lot of consecutive dodges??
It's no different with zaul teams when they're controlled by the AI.
Get off your high 'confirmation bias' horse and admit that the AI gets a ridiculous boost to % chances to evade.
Confirmation bias is fair enough with drop rates on gear, but not with AI boosts - it's a legitimate cheat by the AI.
The developers have stated time and again that the AI doesn't get any "boost".
And you do realize that in arena the same AI plays for your team, right?
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Just looked in my top 20. 12 non-Zaul leads. 8/20 isn't quite "all"
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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Youre shard doesnt apply to everyone and neither does mine. But my shard it's 40+ of top 50 zaul.
Couple weeks back we had tons of zader, fo, resistance, zqgj and droids. The fo team is still there but he drops to 40ish daily. I guess that was just the transition period to zaul meta.
And to be honest I really don't understand this pay wall thing. Only all star mods are hard to manage if you are free to play but if I want to be honest, no one told you you should be rank 1-10 in your arena for free. However we have 100% free to play guys and they are there. Still. So yeah this is cure. Also Boba and Kylo are great on offense against Sith. Think, act, win. That's the cure
there must be alot of players in your top50 if there were tons of zader, fo, resistance zqgj and droid teams in there.
All kidding aside, according to the swgoh.gg meta report less than half of the top1, top10 and top100 players use zmaul as their leader. It's probably the most reliable source of information we have at our disposal.
The tons part only applied to zader...
43% of number one players use zaul. That's an absurd number considering the amount of playable characters with leader abilities there are.
I find 40 out of the top 50 a little hard to believe. I mean sure theres probably a lot, but theres only 17 Zaul teams in my top 50 and I'm on a early december 2015 shard. Theres plenty of other teams in there. zQGJ (only like 4 now, there were more). A couple of Zaders (Used to be around 20 of these), 1 Zhasma + Zylo and 1 Zhasma + zFOST, a fair amount of Rex leads, a fair amount of Boba (L) + Zylo + a cleanser (usually GK), one or two GK leads, a full R1 team (Zeta'd Jyn), the one token Zooku (L) + Zoba + Zylo (This guy just likes to regain protection I guess lol), a couple of Nihilus leads (Zetad), a Finn (zeta) lead, and then one EP lead (48th) and one HK lead (His JE is still the second fastest character in the shard behind only one of the Sith Assassins under Zaul, but he's at 42nd), and then some Wedge leads down in the 40s as well, but they aren't running full Rebel teams anymore and just don't seem to have Zetas yet.
Are you really saying chaze aren't paywall characters?
Yep you're right I counted there's only 31. But it seems like everyday everyone is switching zaul lead. Everyone seem to be making the switch .
I had a thing called 'real life' that day. And if your f2p saving up crystals for Chaze it's gonna take months. They are paywall characters there's no argument here.
Depends on people's definition of paywall. A handful of people were able to get Chaze for free, and most people do indeed have Darth Nihilus. A lot of people don't see characters they aren't able to farm as free however.
I'm having to buy additional DT shards through shipments, which I calculated as going to be almost 2K crystals to next star level. To me that's a paywall, others not so much.
Also, zJinn comps with GK and zBarriss are also great vs. Sith. Don't need Chirrut / Baze. Even if GK is 5*. At some point he has to be considered a non-paywall / non-whale toon. Idk if everyone would agree we are at that point yet though.....
I don't see zMaul lasting much personally and might fade out by may
It's tough to face them but they're trending right now because word of mouth and 3 new siths that were dropped last month
Show me a video of you beating a good zaul team without chaze and I'll be impressed.
My Zaul team can beat good Zaul teams without Chaze.
Boba (L), EP, Zylo, TFP, DT in third on my shard rn. He can beat good Zaul teams w/o Chaze. (He just got his DT from 3* to 4* yesterday through shipments) Thats a pretty f2p team that can beat the Zaul teams w/o Chaze, and his TFP is slower than most of the Zaul teams. He can also beat the triple cleanse "zaul meta counter" team with relative ease.
"UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!!!!!!" ... *Mace flies out the window and into oblivion*
IMO this is right on point, and from what I can see a huge problem. Rebels have been considered overpowered for a while before the recent toons and updates, and the solution to overpowered characters is not to create more overpowered characters or abilities... The characters IMO need to be balanced, the compensation for really strong characters shouldn't be other really strong characters, its just stupid.
i do agree about balance. this speed dominates all is not a competitive scenario and requires no stragedy whatsoever.
Ever done a GW with a lumi lead on opposition.
Ever thought, hmm that's a lot of consecutive dodges??
It's no different with zaul teams when they're controlled by the AI.
Get off your high 'confirmation bias' horse and admit that the AI gets a ridiculous boost to % chances to evade.
Confirmation bias is fair enough with drop rates on gear, but not with AI boosts - it's a legitimate cheat by the AI.
The developers have stated time and again that the AI doesn't get any "boost".
And you do realize that in arena the same AI plays for your team, right?
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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Believe what you want; it's a free country. Everyone is entitled to believe in their 'personal' truths. To heck with reality, it's so boring anyway.
More than happy to shut up in that case.
Star Wars stereotypes? How does that work? Only thing coming to mind is people assuming Star Wars lovers are geeks, and well they're not wrong, lol.
I dunno. I started reading and pictured conin o Brian speaking in his nerd voice..