So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
Gk leads...? Sorry but that looks like a very weak shard.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
That's because several of the counter squad comps mentioned in this thread are not Chromium only. I have a very solid zMaul counter team composed of all ftp toons: Rex lead, EP, St Han, Boba, and DN.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
Gk leads...? Sorry but that looks like a very weak shard.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
Gk leads...? Sorry but that looks like a very weak shard.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
Gk leads...? Sorry but that looks like a very weak shard.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
I've got your team in the list up top already: Rex lead. It does seem your team with General Kenobi and Darth Nihilus under Rex doesn't need Chirrut...it just needs Sith and General Kenobi....so I'm not truly inclined to throw Rex under the "types" just because of your success.
Futhermore, a top 20 from a single shard is a worse sample than the meta report which I already stated wasn't truly helpful to my question - which is NOT "Is this a diverse meta?" but "What teams beat zMaul? Specifically with EP, Nihilus, Chaze."
Rex Nihilus Boba +2. My shard has more Rexes than zauls and I'm the only Zaul right now that can hold top 5. I run Zaul, EP, GK, SA, DN but most of the Rexes can beat me no problem.
Chaze and GK are obviously the best but most don't have them. EP, STH, and TFP are great fillers for the last spots without them.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
That's because several of the counter squad comps mentioned in this thread are not Chromium only. I have a very solid zMaul counter team composed of all ftp toons: Rex lead, EP, St Han, Boba, and DN.
.....but Sith. I've got your info and your Squad Comp. Basically a zMaul team with Rex lead. Again, it's like Wiggs under a different lead than Wedge.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Nah the arena was actually quite diverse about a month ago in the zader meta. Resistance, fo, droids, Jedi were all much more competitive. Zauls leader ability is just in a league of its own. Now you gotta use zaul or paywall characters.
GK probably isn't a paywall character anymore. Good number of low spend / free players at least have him 5* now and he's easily arena viable at 5*. GK in a zJinn comp can take zMaul squads at a high rate and hold in top 20 reliably. That's a high caliber team.
@StormTro0p3R_H .... that's a non-paywall team right there with the Jedi. I've also seen other oddball comps on our LB where guys can beat Sith squads and get in the top 5...one dude runs Rex leader with B2, zKylo (zeta required here - zKylo is insane strong for AI to handle), TFP, and Boba. That's a complete non-paywall non-Sith squad that I see working on our board every day - only uses 1 zeta - no chromes no GK.
I think this shows how deep the game is really when that many comps can be used to beat zDM considering he has probably the best leader skill we've seen in the game to date and has great allies to fit with it.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
I've got your team in the list up top already: Rex lead. It does seem your team with General Kenobi and Darth Nihilus under Rex doesn't need Chirrut...it just needs Sith and General Kenobi....so I'm not truly inclined to throw Rex under the "types" just because of your success.
Futhermore, a top 20 from a single shard is a worse sample than the meta report which I already stated wasn't truly helpful to my question - which is NOT "Is this a diverse meta?" but "What teams beat zMaul? Specifically with EP, Nihilus, Chaze."
My shard is an old one, one of the oldest. Therefore people have had time to build up diverse rosters, hence the variation. Older shards prove that there is more to the meta than people on younger shards believe.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Nah the arena was actually quite diverse about a month ago in the zader meta. Resistance, fo, droids, Jedi were all much more competitive. Zauls leader ability is just in a league of its own. Now you gotta use zaul or paywall characters.
GK probably isn't a paywall character anymore. Good number of low spend / free players at least have him 5* now and he's easily arena viable at 5*. GK in a zJinn comp can take zMaul squads at a high rate and hold in top 20 reliably. That's a high caliber team.
@StormTro0p3R_H .... that's a non-paywall team right there with the Jedi. I've also seen other oddball comps on our LB where guys can beat Sith squads and get in the top 5...one dude runs Rex leader with B2, zKylo (zeta required here - zKylo is insane strong for AI to handle), TFP, and Boba. That's a complete non-paywall squad that I see working on our board every day - only uses 1 zeta - no chromes no GK.
I think this shows how deep the game is really when that many comps can be used to beat zDM considering he has probably the best leader skill we've seen in the game to date and has great allies to fit with it.
I'm actually working on the Jedi but getting frustrated in the wait for GK. I mean, I could have farmed Maul by now, like a lot of players have, quicker than unlocking Kenobi.
Honestly, I'd say if I started right now I could still get him before Kenobi, since I have 7 more raids to go.
I can beat zauls team (all of them with EP speed 220+) with this team: zQGJ, Aayla, JKA, Zoda and B2. Easy.
EDIT: Yes, you need a 230+ speed Yoda to do it.
How's this work out usually? Meaning turn order and such. I could get this working, I think, but I tried using B2 once (only 4* g8 so I know it wasn't the best test) and it didn't seem to help much.
@The0n3 I could invest more to B2 if it I believed it definitely works.
I can beat zauls team (all of them with EP speed 220+) with this team: zQGJ, Aayla, JKA, Zoda and B2. Easy.
EDIT: Yes, you need a 230+ speed Yoda to do it.
How's this work out usually? I could get this working, I think, but I tried using B2 once (only 4* g8 so I know it wasn't the best test) and it didn't seem to help much.
@The0n3 I could invest more to B2 if it I believed it definitely works.
It does. B2 don't even need to be g11, g10 it's just fine. Put some protection / tenacity / potency mods on him, don't need to care about speed since he gains 100% tm from his unique and that's enough to dispell the stealth and with a little bit of luck (rng), buff immunity = kills maul and ep = victory.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
I've got your team in the list up top already: Rex lead. It does seem your team with General Kenobi and Darth Nihilus under Rex doesn't need Chirrut...it just needs Sith and General Kenobi....so I'm not truly inclined to throw Rex under the "types" just because of your success.
Futhermore, a top 20 from a single shard is a worse sample than the meta report which I already stated wasn't truly helpful to my question - which is NOT "Is this a diverse meta?" but "What teams beat zMaul? Specifically with EP, Nihilus, Chaze."
My shard is an old one, one of the oldest. Therefore people have had time to build up diverse rosters, hence the variation. Older shards prove that there is more to the meta than people on younger shards believe.
This is a great point and also something that should be kept in mind when looking at the meta report. To get a true picture you'd probably want a meta report that's based on shard vintage. Shard age will definitely skew any meta report. Some characters just aren't good until they have advanced gear / levels / materials.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
I've got your team in the list up top already: Rex lead. It does seem your team with General Kenobi and Darth Nihilus under Rex doesn't need Chirrut...it just needs Sith and General Kenobi....so I'm not truly inclined to throw Rex under the "types" just because of your success.
Futhermore, a top 20 from a single shard is a worse sample than the meta report which I already stated wasn't truly helpful to my question - which is NOT "Is this a diverse meta?" but "What teams beat zMaul? Specifically with EP, Nihilus, Chaze."
My shard is an old one, one of the oldest. Therefore people have had time to build up diverse rosters, hence the variation. Older shards prove that there is more to the meta than people on younger shards believe.
@Dooku_for_days Fair point. But judging by your pic it's extremely hard to tell what teams would even have to fight the zMaul teams since they could hop right past them. I get that scissors-paper-rock can happen with diversity. I want to know what can beat zMaul, EP, DN, and Chaze. But thanks for ensuring the overall health of the game for me, like some of my op alluded to.
Ah, just a reminder, you need Zeta Yoda with at least 230 speed... Than it will be like knife into butter! (Also, all of my team except for B2 have 210+ speed, so i guess that's also a thing to be taken into consideration)
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
I've got your team in the list up top already: Rex lead. It does seem your team with General Kenobi and Darth Nihilus under Rex doesn't need Chirrut...it just needs Sith and General Kenobi....so I'm not truly inclined to throw Rex under the "types" just because of your success.
Futhermore, a top 20 from a single shard is a worse sample than the meta report which I already stated wasn't truly helpful to my question - which is NOT "Is this a diverse meta?" but "What teams beat zMaul? Specifically with EP, Nihilus, Chaze."
My shard is an old one, one of the oldest. Therefore people have had time to build up diverse rosters, hence the variation. Older shards prove that there is more to the meta than people on younger shards believe.
I'm on a Nov 15 shard and it's like 70% zaul in the top 50.
New shards seem to be in the rebel meta. Not much zaul on new shards.
So no one posting in this thread seems to be phased by the fact that you have to use either Sith or Chromium characters to beat this? And several are claiming a rise in diversity....because you can use multiple Sith leaders? How is this different from the aforementioned "less diverse" meta of Wiggs? You could have Wedge, Ackbar, and Lando leads.
Baze was in the shard shop. If you had farmed him like I did (exchanging all currency from each area into the shard shop), you would not be saying he's chromium only. This meta is by far the most diverse. I'm on a November 2015 shard and here is the current top 20: https://imgur.com/a/nktyS
I've got your team in the list up top already: Rex lead. It does seem your team with General Kenobi and Darth Nihilus under Rex doesn't need Chirrut...it just needs Sith and General Kenobi....so I'm not truly inclined to throw Rex under the "types" just because of your success.
Futhermore, a top 20 from a single shard is a worse sample than the meta report which I already stated wasn't truly helpful to my question - which is NOT "Is this a diverse meta?" but "What teams beat zMaul? Specifically with EP, Nihilus, Chaze."
My shard is an old one, one of the oldest. Therefore people have had time to build up diverse rosters, hence the variation. Older shards prove that there is more to the meta than people on younger shards believe.
I'm on a Nov 15 shard and it's like 70% zaul in the top 50.
New shards seem to be in the rebel meta. Not much zaul on new shards.
Ah, just a reminder, you need Zeta Yoda with at least 230 speed... Than it will be like knife into butter! (Also, all of my team except for B2 have 210+ speed, so i guess that's also a thing to be taken into consideration)
Good luck and may the Force be with you!
Right now, post zQGJ speed boost, I have a 266 speed Anakin and 265 speed zYoda. My other Jedi are 233 and 232. I've kept tank mods as I've searched for speed mods so I can get B2 pretty beefy, I think.
Ah, just a reminder, you need Zeta Yoda with at least 230 speed... Than it will be like knife into butter! (Also, all of my team except for B2 have 210+ speed, so i guess that's also a thing to be taken into consideration)
Good luck and may the Force be with you!
Right now, post zQGJ speed boost, I have a 266 speed Anakin and 265 speed zYoda. My other Jedi are 233 and 232. I've kept tank mods as I've searched for speed mods so I can get B2 pretty beefy, I think.
Good, good! Having all Jedi with 200+speed is a must on a zqgj team, specially if you wanna take down zauls! Give it a try and tell us how it went!
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A zaul team would trash that. That's like a old school TO team that is pretty irrelevant with 4x speed.
That's because several of the counter squad comps mentioned in this thread are not Chromium only. I have a very solid zMaul counter team composed of all ftp toons: Rex lead, EP, St Han, Boba, and DN.
Baze does not equal Chaze. I have Baze...
https://swgoh.gg/u/mozza/
Maybe 25% of the time..
I've got your team in the list up top already: Rex lead. It does seem your team with General Kenobi and Darth Nihilus under Rex doesn't need Chirrut...it just needs Sith and General Kenobi....so I'm not truly inclined to throw Rex under the "types" just because of your success.
Futhermore, a top 20 from a single shard is a worse sample than the meta report which I already stated wasn't truly helpful to my question - which is NOT "Is this a diverse meta?" but "What teams beat zMaul? Specifically with EP, Nihilus, Chaze."
Chaze and GK are obviously the best but most don't have them. EP, STH, and TFP are great fillers for the last spots without them.
.....but Sith. I've got your info and your Squad Comp. Basically a zMaul team with Rex lead. Again, it's like Wiggs under a different lead than Wedge.
GK probably isn't a paywall character anymore. Good number of low spend / free players at least have him 5* now and he's easily arena viable at 5*. GK in a zJinn comp can take zMaul squads at a high rate and hold in top 20 reliably. That's a high caliber team.
@StormTro0p3R_H .... that's a non-paywall team right there with the Jedi. I've also seen other oddball comps on our LB where guys can beat Sith squads and get in the top 5...one dude runs Rex leader with B2, zKylo (zeta required here - zKylo is insane strong for AI to handle), TFP, and Boba. That's a complete non-paywall non-Sith squad that I see working on our board every day - only uses 1 zeta - no chromes no GK.
I think this shows how deep the game is really when that many comps can be used to beat zDM considering he has probably the best leader skill we've seen in the game to date and has great allies to fit with it.
EDIT: Yes, you need a 230+ speed Yoda to do it.
I'm actually working on the Jedi but getting frustrated in the wait for GK. I mean, I could have farmed Maul by now, like a lot of players have, quicker than unlocking Kenobi.
Honestly, I'd say if I started right now I could still get him before Kenobi, since I have 7 more raids to go.
How's this work out usually? Meaning turn order and such. I could get this working, I think, but I tried using B2 once (only 4* g8 so I know it wasn't the best test) and it didn't seem to help much.
@The0n3 I could invest more to B2 if it I believed it definitely works.
It does. B2 don't even need to be g11, g10 it's just fine. Put some protection / tenacity / potency mods on him, don't need to care about speed since he gains 100% tm from his unique and that's enough to dispell the stealth and with a little bit of luck (rng), buff immunity = kills maul and ep = victory.
This is a great point and also something that should be kept in mind when looking at the meta report. To get a true picture you'd probably want a meta report that's based on shard vintage. Shard age will definitely skew any meta report. Some characters just aren't good until they have advanced gear / levels / materials.
@Dooku_for_days Fair point. But judging by your pic it's extremely hard to tell what teams would even have to fight the zMaul teams since they could hop right past them. I get that scissors-paper-rock can happen with diversity. I want to know what can beat zMaul, EP, DN, and Chaze. But thanks for ensuring the overall health of the game for me, like some of my op alluded to.
Ah, just a reminder, you need Zeta Yoda with at least 230 speed... Than it will be like knife into butter! (Also, all of my team except for B2 have 210+ speed, so i guess that's also a thing to be taken into consideration)
Good luck and may the Force be with you!
I'm on a Nov 15 shard and it's like 70% zaul in the top 50.
New shards seem to be in the rebel meta. Not much zaul on new shards.
nice, easily dominated =D
Right now, post zQGJ speed boost, I have a 266 speed Anakin and 265 speed zYoda. My other Jedi are 233 and 232. I've kept tank mods as I've searched for speed mods so I can get B2 pretty beefy, I think.
GK isn't paywall at all, just get in a good guild, I'm F2P and I have a 7 star GK now, world first???? Lol
Anyway, Rex/GK combo, Boba, Zylo, Emp, B2 are good F2P additions also to the team, along with some others, but its Rex lead with GK that makes it go
Awesome. DT is so underrated.
Good, good! Having all Jedi with 200+speed is a must on a zqgj team, specially if you wanna take down zauls! Give it a try and tell us how it went!
Couldn't beat zaul,palp,DN,SA,Vader with zFinn resistance (or any combination of them + Zylo/B2 etc.
Beat zaul with first order (only zeta on Kylo). And using sthan instead of FOST as FOST is undergeared.